[Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Thu Feb 15 08:29:02 PST 2007
Washtucna?
What a low blow!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellen Roskovich
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: mmike at hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
Daisy's topless carwash was about as much a "business" as a kid's lemonade stand. You don't think she paid sales tax do you?
The Beach, on the other hand, pays taxes and yearly beer and wine license fees. The wet t-shirt contests are not held in public but inside the building. I say to each his own. . . water is going to seek it's own level. And, hey, there was lotsa drinking going on in the bible and even Mr/Rev Doug wanted to serve underage children "communion wine". . . the Beach shouldn't be such a big deal. I consider it "entertainment" and if you want that type of entertainment. . . so what? This is a college town. And without the college what do you have? What would Moscow be like? Troy. Potlatch. Genesee. Dreary. Washtucna.
And seriously. . . .how many night spots are there in Moscow for young people to go to for fun? Is there really any NICE place to take a date and go dancing? I'll even go so far to say this. . . . is there any nice night spot for a middle-aged couple to go to for dinner, a drink and maybe a dance? THINK ABOUT IT!!
Moscow already died a long time ago. No one wants to face up to it. Please, someone, just write the obituary and get it over with.
Everyone says they don't want Moscow to change. . . . Can't you see it? MOSCOW HAS ALREADY CHANGED!! Today's Moscow is not the place I moved to 30 years ago. Over 60 years ago my folks were shopping at David's Department Store. . . . so we're not some jonny-come-latelys to this scene. We've watched the change happen.
Dang, it's late. . . . Goodnight, Moscow.
Ellen A. Roskovich
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From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA Issues
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:04:43 -0800
>
>Yeah, I know...just thought I'd point out that Wilson campaigned
>very strongly against that business. Not that I agreed with the car
>wash or wanted it particularly, just that he did go up against it.
>Curious that he didn't just "vote with his dollars" and not
>patronize it. BTW, isn't going to places like the "Beach" on nights
>such as "Wet T-Shirt Night" just as, em, *bad* as attending one of
>those car washes? Wilson better keep a better eye on his
>boys....seems like they may be voting with their dollars by going in
>there.
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
>>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA
>>Issues
>>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:39:47 -0800
>>
>>
>>
>>Heavens to betsy! Do you mean hippie Daisy's topless carwash?
>>That wasn't a real business. . . it was a joke. Just childish
>>nonsense. If no one paid them any attention, they would have all
>>gone away the first chilly day.
>>
>>Ellen Roskovich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA
>>Issues
>>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:31:26 -0800
>> >Well now, that is avoidance of a topic. Good going.
>> >
>> >And yes he does campaign against businesses (remember the car
>>wash?) He
>> >certainly does in his sermons and writings.
>> >
>> >
>> >J :]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>> > >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other
>>NSA Issues
>> > >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:18:05 -0800
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >To the best of my
>>knowledge Mr. Wilson has never actively campaigned to
>> > >prevent any legitimate enterprise from starting up in Moscow.
>>It appears
>> > >that he and his congregation vote after the fact with their
>>shopping
>> > >dollars, as is their right.
>> > >
>> > >With regard to Wilson's "too numerous writings," when, as a
>>mental
>> > >exercise, I imagine you in one of the afore mentioned
>>"positions of power"
>> > >I wonder how anyone could possibly come to any other possible
>>conclusion.
>> > >
>> > >I fail to see even a glimmering of logic in your post.
>> > >
>> > >g
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> > >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:39 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and
>>other NSA Issues
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > So someone disagreeing with business practices or with a
>>business' lack
>> > >of
>> > > > community care, are to be labeled "wackadoos" and
>>"moonbats"? Who wrote
>> > > > that rule?
>> > > >
>> > > > Does that mean Doug is wackadoo" or a "moonbat" because he
>>doesn't like
>> > >the
>> > > > way some businesses allow women to be in charge or allows
>>them to be on
>> > >a
>> > > > board of that business? He has clearly stated in
>>too-numerous of
>> > >writings,
>> > > > that he feels businesses or organizations that allow women
>>positions of
>> > > > power are businesses that are unmanly and should not be
>>patronized.
>> > > >
>> > > > You said it; I'm just extending it
>>logically.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > J :]
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>> > > >>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Matt Decker'"
>> > > >><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>,
>> > > >><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other
>>NSA Issues
>> > > >>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:34:32 -0800
>> > > >>
>> > > >>hansen opined:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>"I would need to know more (and hopefully so would the city
>>council)
>> > >about
>> > > >>the food co-op that you
>>mention. What are its hiring practices? What
>> > >is
>> > > >>the "track record" of that business? How else would the
>>community
>> > >benefit
>> > > >>from having that business located here in Moscow (other than
>>lower
>> > > >>prices)?"
>> > > >>
>> > > >>The above statement does not reflect American free
>>enterprise. The idea
>> > > >>that every idiot with an opinion should have a say in what a
>>privately
>> > > >>owned business does before the fact is lunacy. The city
>>should have a
>> > >set
>> > > >>of clearly defined guidelines which are as non-restrictive
>>as possible
>> > >and
>> > > >>then get the heck out of the way. Moonbats and wackadoos can
>>express
>> > >their
>> > > >>opinion after the fact by
>>spending their money with the enterprise or
>> > > >>staying away. The last time I checked, it was a businesses
>>job to
>> > >provide
>> > > >>goods or services and make a profit. Not to be some sort of
>>social
>> > >welfare
>> > > >>platform.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>g
>> > > >>----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> > > >>To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
>><privatejf32 at hotmail.com>;
>> > > >><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > >>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:58 PM
>> > > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other
>>NSA Issues
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Mat Decker stated:
>> > > >> >
>> > >
>> >> > "EX. lets say a 150 k sq ft food co-op wanted into town with
>>20-30%
>> > > >>lower
>> > > >> > prices. Do you really believe Moscow wouldn't support
>>that? What
>> > >about
>> > > >> > costco?"
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I would need to know more (and hopefully so would the
>>city council)
>> > > >>about
>> > > >> > the food co-op that you mention. What are its hiring
>>practices?
>> > >What
>> > > >>is
>> > > >> > the "track record" of that business? How else would the
>>community
>> > > >>benefit
>> > > >> > from having that business located here in Moscow (other
>>than lower
>> > > >>prices)?
>> > > >> > Etc. Etc. Etc. . . . As far as Costco is concerned, I am
>>unfamiliar
>> > > >>with
>> > > >> > their business practices.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Tom Hansen
>> > > >> > Moscow, Idaho
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> > From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
>> > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:47 PM
>> > > >> > To: thansen at moscow.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
>> > >vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and
>>other NSA
>> > >Issues
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Tom,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I thought we did this already. Please call me Matt. Just
>>as I hope I
>> >
>> >can
>> > > >> > call you Tom.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Tom I don't really feel we need a super duper jumbo size
>>walmart.
>> > > >>However, I
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > think doing a big business ban is or can be hypocritical.
>>EX. lets
>> > >say a
>> > > >>150
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > k sq ft food co-op wanted into town with 20-30% lower
>>prices. Do you
>> > > >>really
>> > > >> > believe Moscow wouldn't support that? What about costco?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Do I shop at wally world? Only when my wife makes me. I
>>hate the
>> > >place.
>> > > >>I
>> > > >> > think they sell shit, plaine and simple. They do serve a
>>purpose
>> > >though.
>> > >
>> >>You
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > and I both know those so I won't go into detail. Do I
>>think they will
>> > > >>put a
>> > > >> > bunch of businesses out of business? NO.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Plus getting 15% of their taxes is better then them going
>>1/4 mile
>> > > >>across
>> > > >> > the boarder, giving Wash the money.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Matt
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> > > >> >>To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>,
>> > ><privatejf32 at hotmail.com>,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > >>
>> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and other NSA
>> > >Issues
>> > > >> >>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:30:40 -0800
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>However, Mr. Decker, you yourself stated that by buying
>>locally "more
>> > > >> >>importantly profits stay here". That is simply not the
>>case with
>> > > >>Wal-mart.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>Tom Hansen
>> > > >> >>Moscow, Idaho
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>>intention of
>> > > >>arriving
>> > > >> >>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but
>>rather to skid
>> > >in
>> > > >> >>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other,
>>body
>> > >thoroughly
>> > > >>used
>> > > >> >>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
>>ride!'"
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> > > >> >>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
>> > > >> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:23 PM
>> > > >> >>To: thansen at moscow.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
>> > >vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > >> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and
>>other NSA
>> > >Issues
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>Tom,
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>LOL!!!!!!!!!
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>Smart growth would be trying to get businesses into the
>>community and
>> > >
>> >>not
>> > > >> >>trying to push them away, along with our tax money.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>Matt
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> > > >> >> >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>,
>> > > >><privatejf32 at hotmail.com>,
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parking Survey Under Way and
>>other NSA
>> > > >>Issues
>> > > >> >> >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:19:01 -0800
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >Matt Decker stated:
>> > > >> >> >
>> >
>> > >> >> >"For example: every time they buy something from this
>>community the
>> > > >> >>dollar
>> > > >> >> >stays here. Whether its businesses ran by other church
>>members or
>> > >if
>> > > >>it's
>> > > >> >> >my
>> > > >> >> >business, which I have at least 4 members that have
>>purchased
>> > > >>sprinklers
>> > > >> >> >from be. I in turn spend by money locally thus keeping
>>the money
>> > >here.
>> > > >> >>Some
>> > > >> >> >taxes stay here but more importantly profits stay
>>here."
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >Sounds like a strong endorsement against Wal-Mart and
>>in favor of
>> > > >>local
>> > > >> >> >businesses,
>>Matt. Thanks. Those of us who support smart growth
>> > > >> >>appreciate
>> > > >> >> >your comments.
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >Tom Hansen
>> > > >> >> >Moscow, idaho
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >"If not us, who?
>> > > >> >> >If not now, when?"
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >- Unknown
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> >
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