[Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Fri Feb 9 15:09:40 PST 2007
"Its obvious you are just as brainwashed and blind as the rest of the
kirkers. So - when do you take your vows for the church anyway? Or are you
an "honorary" member
by now?"
Is this the only choice? Is it not possible to know a lot about history and
no desire to see certain parts repeated?
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
Don't know what a "bogeyman" is but I'm sure you are referencing someone you
are very familiar with or related to. Either way - no thanks!
As far as kirkers "supporting other businesses" - ONLY when they can not get
it at a kirker-owned business, can they go outside and make a purchase. The
back of their directory outlines just what shopping practices they are
supposed observe, the guidelines for shopping "outside" and lists what
kirker-owned businesses there are in town.
As far as the rest of your drivill - not worth going into. Its obvious you
are just as brainwashed and blind as the rest of the kirkers. So - when do
you take your vows for the church anyway? Or are you an "honorary" member
by now?
J :]
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:59:39 -0800
>
>Oh yes Ms. Ford, I am serious as a stroke. I don't care that the people who
>are employed at the various places in question are members of the Wilson
>fold. They are residents of Moscow. People who own property in Moscow. (and
>pay property tax in Moscow) They utilize the services of other businesses
>in Moscow. Eat, shop and recreate in Moscow, and despite your personal
>panics and phobias, over all, these people are good for Moscow's economy
>and I welcome them as neighbors and fellow citizens. I know that it's
>impossible for you to pass up an opportunity to regurgitate your litany of
>anti-CC spleen, no matter what the topic might be but, when it comes to
>answering the question of what's impeding healthy growth in Moscow there
>can be no question that it's not your personal bogeyman.
>
>g
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
>
>
> >
> > Jeez, Gary - you can't be serious! Not one of the things you have
>mentioned
> > that Wilson "created" is for anyone else BUT HIS CHURCH! They do not
>hire
> > out of the church, therefore the the "payroll" created is bunk. The
>church
> > schools he has "created" buy his own books that his own press publishes.
> He
> > fires or gets rid of anyone that disagrees with him or whose wife
>displeases
> > him (remember the Canon Press worker whose wife sent him an e-mail that
>Doug
> > found displeasing?) Elders whose children do things Doug doesn't like,
>get
> > canned. Only until that child is brought back into what Doug thinks is
>in
> > line, do the elders get to be back on the big-boy's playing field.
>WOMEN
> > are not allowed to hold any kind of position of power. Taxes, which
>most
> > businesses have to pay, are not paid by CC businesses when they claim
> > non-profit status. Some of the BIGGEST buildings in the CBD don't pay
>taxes
> > because of this, leaving the rest of the small businesses down there to
>pick
> > up the slack. Heck, there are members of that church who plain and
>simply
> > don't pay taxes because they don't agree with them. And just how many
>CCer
> > businesses have gone under because Doug has a falling out with the
>"owner"
> > of said business? Anyone eat at West of Paris lately - that is NOT
> > associated with the church, that is?
> >
> > Establishing illegal schools, not following the law in regards to same,
> > demanding and getting special privileges in regards to zoning and
>building
> > developments or permits, support of a serial child molester as well as
> > another one that should STILL be in jail, not informing the public about
> > these "men's" activities, promoting the dissolution of several marriages
> > because Doug is unhappy with one of the spouses, demanding the death of
> > certain populations within the city, condoning and recommending slavery
>and
> > then two years after the publication of a book on that subject, he tries
>a
> > lame excuse like "it really was all about abortion"...yep - sounds like
>a
> > real benefit to the community, that does.
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
> >>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
> >>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:20:20 -0800
> >>
> >>Lets see, on the one hand we have Nancy Chaney, Bob Stout, and last but
>far
> >>from the least, Aaron Ament. All doing their absolute level best to
>prevent
> >>any kind of growth in Moscow which doesn't meet with their fantasy ideal
> >>for
> >>our town. (think Mexican beach turtle herding) They enact ordinances
>which
> >>all but scream retail development need not apply and do their best to
> >>discourage growth of existing businesses.
> >>
> >>On the other hand we have Douglas Wilson, instrumental in the
>development
> >>of
> >>Christ Church, Logos, New St. Andrews, Cannon Press, etc. Establishments
> >>with employees, customers, and a payroll. Establishments which, despite
>the
> >>contrary droning of a small but vocal minority, are a benefit to our
>city.
> >>
> >>To imagine that Wilson even comes close to being the destructive, anti-
> >>growth force in Moscow that our elected city council and mayor
>represents
> >>is
> >>silly, even by comparison to your previous standard, to which I become
> >>sadly
> >>accustomed.
> >>
> >>g
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:17 PM
> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonista Strike again
> >>
> >>
> >> >I met someone today that is part of a non-religious group new to
>Moscow.
> >> > Since being here over the past month, this person has been INUNDATED
> >>with
> >> > information, warnings and cautions about Wilson and Christ Church.
>Fact
> >> > is,
> >> > they and their family were warned about Wilson, et al, BEFORE they
>even
> >> > got
> >> > here by people who don't live in Moscow. They have just heard and
>seen
> >> > some
> >> > of the mess that has been going on through the paper, people's word
>of
> >> > mouth
> >> > personal reactions to incidents, the Slavery Book, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Now THAT is just what this town needs - a reputation for breeding
>people
> >> > like Wilson. It no wonder we don't have more businesses looking here
>to
> >> > open or people non-Wilsonista-connected to move and live here.
> >> >
> >> > Good going, big guy...you're on the map and you're dragging us down
>with
> >> > you. Ever think of moving to the desert? I hear there's a nice
>bridge
> >> > down
> >> > in Arizona that you might want to build a moat around and declare
>your
> >> > kingdom from.
> >> >
> >> > J :]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> >> >>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Saundra Lund'"
> >> >><sslund at roadrunner.com>
> >> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
> >> >>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:01:22 -1000
> >> >>
> >> >>Tom and Saundra,
> >> >>
> >> >>I'll be happy to bring coffee and donuts, and I'll even help
>straighten
> >> >>the
> >> >>club room after meetings. However, I will not take minutes, nor will
>I
> >> >>volunteer to call and inform members of anything. And if you rent
> >>Kibbie
> >> >>Dome, I'm reconsidering my willingness to help straighten the club
>room.
> >> >>
> >> >>But thanks for the invite.
> >> >>
> >> >>Sue
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >> >>To: "'Saundra Lund'" <sslund at roadrunner.com>; "'Sue Hovey'"
> >> >><suehovey at moscow.com>
> >> >>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> >>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 AM
> >> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Yes, Sue -
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Welcome to the Intoleristas.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Until you get better acquainted with the neighborhood, may I
>suggest
> >> >>that
> >> >> > Saundra show you around. As the newest addition to the rank and
> >>file,
> >> >>you
> >> >> > will be responsible for coffee and donut runs. We meet every 12th
>of
> >> >> > Never.
> >> >> > So, my advice would be "Don't be late."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Guys, we really must get a larger club house. I hear that Doug
> >>Wilson
> >> >>can
> >> >> > get us a really sweet deal on renting the Kibbie Dome. How about
>it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Welcome aboard,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tom Hansen
> >> >> > Intolerista Sergeant-at-Arms
> >> >> > Moscow, Idaho
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "If not us, who?
> >> >> > If not now, when?"
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Unknown
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >> >>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >> >> > On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:21 PM
> >> >> > To: 'Sue Hovey'
> >> >> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In part, Sue Hovey wrote:
> >> >> > "Our relationship is finished, done. over."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > WELCOME TO THE CLUB! We're glad to have you :-)))
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Saundra Lund
> >> >> > Moscow, ID
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
>people
> >>to
> >> >>do
> >> >> > nothing.
> >> >> > - Edmund Burke
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006,
>Saundra
> >> >>Lund.
> >> >> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision
>2020
> >> >>forum
> >> >> > without the express written permission of the author.*****
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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