[Vision2020] attacks, gossip, and fairness

[Pat Kraut]

Can you have any appreciation for how much I and many others do not care
what Mr. Wilson teaches? It is none of our business it is only a personal
vendetta on your part. You and Gier need to get a life.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] attacks, gossip, and fairness


This was NOT gossip; it IS fact.  I brought it out because I feel the
mis-use of church people, to be self-promoting and for self-gain, is
despicable and Doug W seems to be willing to pass on his penchant for doing
this (remember the truck?) as is evidenced by Doug F's request.

I also find it despicable that Doug W demands in one breath that a husband
not only not allow his wife to work out of the home, but that the husband is
to provide well enough for the family so as to not even appear to be a
failure and then to turn around and allow Doug F to solicit for something
for he and his wife that is NOT needed for the family to survive.  To me,
this is hypocritical and disgusting, to say the least.

THAT was my point of bringing this out.  The facts behind my getting this
information is not open to discussion and will never be, so people e-mailing
me and asking for that revelation - forget it.  Won't happen, period.
However it came to me is not the important issue.  The fact that one of the
kirkers felt it necessary to go outside of their church to get information
out says a lot about the trust factor within the organization.  Again, this
was a factual item.

How about what Doug F has written about other people's family situation,
children and even the last e-mail that he wrote about a certain "problem"
and "how to solve it" - This is pure trash - but do we see others screaming
about that?!  No!  So, get off my back about my e-mail, get off your high
horse about ripping into me about it and get back to what the point of why
it was posted - being hypocritical and begging for something that is NOT
necessary and something that should be provided for by the husband, NOT the
church membership.

So, go off on yourself for not taking Doug F to task for writing the pure
hatred in his last TWO posts, especially, and bugger off me!

I have said my apologies and that will be that!  You want to think less of
it - fine...whatever.  But I would hope I see a HELL of a lot regarding Doug
F's filth that he has just put out there, as well as something about the
other hateful e-mail he posted earlier.


J  :]





>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] attacks, gossip, and fairness
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:42:42 -0800
>
>
>
>I've been taken to task offlist by people angered at my earlier comments
>regarding J Ford's posting of church support for Doug Farris and his wife's
>anniversary trip.  I'm sorry that people feel I've been unfair to J Ford.
>I disagree.  And I'm sorry if it seemed to them that it was cowardly of me
>to respond only after Doug himself responded.  Again, I disagree.
>
>To respond to J's post without waiting for a response from Doug, the
>subject of it, would have just promoted more gossip.  Doug's response
>included J's post and gave as much information about what was going on as
>J's.  My waiting until Doug wrote was to ensure that gossip didn't
>continue; if he was OK discussing it online, then I was.  If not, I would
>have written a much more general reprimand, without details, and if J's
>post was factually wrong and corrected by Doug, I would have written even a
>stronger one.
>
>J, I know you to be a decent person, and I do care how you feel.  I didn't
>like what you did and felt that it deserved to be called out.  That's all.
>
>keely
>
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