[Vision2020] Blight-Mind Show-n-Tell

[Bill London]

C-
You say: "I feel like I'm persona non grata here anyway"...wrong, you are 
not, your reasoned discussions are welcomed here.  whether anyone agrees 
with you is really not the issue.   the point is that you are sharing in the 
discussion, and enlightening and enlivening it....

You say: "The Kirkers have been singled out, why?" ... the core reason is 
Doug Wilson's political agenda to remake Moscow by dominating the downtown 
core of the town and starving the public education system.

BL









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blight-Mind Show-n-Tell


> On Dec 30, 2007 9:08 AM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> This should be interesting.  In his gracious handling of my earlier 
>> apology,
>> Gary neglected to answer the question I put to him.  Dale, meanwhile, is
>> salivating over another chance to lift copy for his blog, and Paul R. 
>> will
>> likely see the local relevance in this context.  Tom Hansen will provide 
>> the
>> links to support a contention that the Kirk is at least as powerful and
>> disturbing as the Aryan Nation, witty and intrepid commentators on Blog 
>> and
>> Mablog and You Blog and We All Blog will chuckle and blather, and some of
>> Moscow's most "tolerant" liberals will shake their heads and wish we 
>> would
>> just leave these people alone to practice their version of a religion 
>> that's
>> unenlightened anyway, what with that Bible thing and all.
>
> I feel like I'm being poked here (I self-identify as "wish[ing] we
> would just leave these people alone to practice their version of a
> religion that's unenlightened anyway, what with that Bible thing and
> all"), and it's pissing me off.  I feel like I'm persona non grata
> here anyway, which is apparently what happens when you stop agreeing
> with the cool kids.  Anyway, with nothing to lose, here is my
> response.
>
> First, Tom Hansen can't provide links to support a contention that the
> Kirk is at least as powerful and disturbing as the Aryan Nation.  The
> Kirk isn't just Doug Wilson, but also its congregants, who can't
> legitimately be described as Neo-Nazis.  Maybe a few of them, but
> contrast the percentages with that lovely group in Hayden Lake.
>
> Have the Kirkers ever planned to forcibly overtake Idaho, Montana,
> Oregon, Washington and Wyoming, for the purpose of establishing an
> Aryan homeland?  Are they all anti-Semites?  Does Wilson have armed
> guards who attack passersby?  Have they ever aspired to cause a race
> war?  Has Wilson ever written anything as incendiary as this: "We
> shall have [a national racial state] at whatever price is necessary.
> Just as our forefathers purchased their freedom in blood so must
> we....We will have to kill the bastards."  Richard Butler wrote those
> words.  Has Christ Church ever been involved in bank robberies,
> counterfeiting, bombings, armored car holdups or murder?
>
> The Kirk preaches some stupid things, some destructive things, but how
> many Christian churches in Moscow don't?  How many Christian churches
> in Moscow aren't homophobic?  Don't the Roman Catholics and the
> Mormons both have doctrines that forbid women the priesthood?  I've
> met a few Moscovites (Baptists, every one of them) who argue that
> being black is a punishment from God (the mark of Cain).
>
> The Kirkers have been singled out, why?
>
>> I repeat my earlier assertion:  I want the Kirk and its influence to end.
>> Not by force, not by law, not by hatred, but by an understanding, 
>> finally,
>> on the part of its congregants of how damaging this group really is.  It
>> could end by corporate repentance and renewal, becoming something 
>> beautiful
>> and true, or die from attrition caused by a Spirit-given whack on the
>> forehead.  Only the people can decide.  One thing is certain, though --  
>> it
>> won't "die" because Andreas asked this question, and mocking the question
>> doesn't make it any less important to answer.
>
> I likewise don't want the Kirkers in Moscow.  I was candid about this
> from my initial appearance on Vision2020.  However, their departure,
> or their spiritual contrition, aren't very high on my agenda.  I like
> a lot of the Kirkers.  I appreciate the businesses that exist in
> Moscow which individual Kirkers own.  I don't want the Kirkers in
> Moscow because I don't want to be reminded that otherwise intelligent,
> loving people choose to believe stupid, destructive things.  The
> problem is, if all vestiges of stupidity and destructive belief were
> cast out of Moscow, the population would shrink dramatically.  If we
> repeated the process over the entire world (but casting the offenders
> into deep space), would we have 100 million left, out of 6 billion?
> Would I remain? Would you?
>
> I have about two years left in Moscow, and then I will leave.  I love
> Moscow.  I will miss its peaceful streets and its boisterous students
> (seemingly contradictory, I know), and I will miss Keely and Tom
> Hansen and Bucers and One World Cafe and BookPeople.  I will miss the
> distinction and the novelty of living in the most liberal and
> enlightened community of an entire state, especially when that state
> is perceived as a redneck utopia.  But I won't miss the
> small-mindedness and the inability of these enlightened people to see
> that they too frequently behave as the pot calling the kettle black.
>
> Chas
>
> http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Aryan_Nations.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=3&item=an
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