[Vision2020] Gnostic Accountability

g. crabtree jampot at roadrunner.com
Sat Dec 29 15:35:29 PST 2007

So, let me see if I have this straight.

Traditional Roman Catholic's were instrumental if not wholly responsible for 
the European theatre of WWII. (I guess this makes the followers traditional 
Shinto responsible for the pacific)

Christians waged a religious war against the stone age natives in the 

The Troubles in Ireland were actually a conflict over religious dogma.

The conflict in Yugoslavia was primarily Christian aggression and not ethnic 
rivalry and tensions.

Etc. etc, etc.

You're right that one or more Christians were involved in the examples you 
gave and by your definition I suppose that must make them examples of deaths 
caused by Christians. I would contend that traditional Christianity in and 
of itself had precious little to do with these conflicts most especially in 
the cases of the Taipeng rebellion (class warfare led by a whack job who 
thought he was Jesus' little brother.) The same applies to The Lord's 
Resistance Army of Sudan and God's Army in Thailand and Burma. (Joseph Kony 
and Johnny & Luther Htoo are simply blood thirsty, mentally unstable little 
savages not religious Christian leaders) Both of these movements wrap misc. 
scraps and shards of Christianity  around themselves but are in no way 
associated with traditional Christian thought.

Next you admit that absolutely none of this has even the slightest thing to 
do with Gier's bane and yet you suggest that the best possible thing for 
Moscow would be death for this particular faith community. And you genuinely 
wonder why some folks find you a mite intolerant?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <nickgier at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gnostic Accountability

> On Dec 28, 2007 6:51 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> ...religious fundamentalists--Christian, Muslim,
>> Buddhist--are one of the greatest dangers that the human race faces...
>>  Doug Wilson...is neck deep in the type of
>> doctrines that drive religious fanaticism...
>> Wilson is largely responsible for the split we now experience in our
>> community...
>> A few questions if I may:
>> 1. Of all the deaths caused by religous fundamentalists in the, how many
>> were caused by Christians? How many of the victims were Christian? Please
>> try and contain your answer to the last two centurys, please.
> Okay. Sure.
> We'll leave out Catholic complicity and assistance in the fascist
> regimes of Franco and Mussolini. We can omit the Christian war against
> the native peoples of the Americas as well, because you're either
> going to cast that as 'not that bad', an ethnic conflict, or
> inevitable. This is where Western Europeans rack up the majority of
> their atrocities. If you like, we can  leave out the religious aspect
> of colonialism altogether--though that was indisputably more murderous
> than any other fundamentalist movement of the past two centuries.
> Let's start with the Catholic/Protestant split in Ireland. Add to that
> the Catholic Croat/Orthodox Serbs/Muslim Armenian internecine warfare
> in the Balkans. Tack on the Christian Phalange in Lebanon, responsible
> for the Sabra and Shatila massacres, among others. Hong Xiuquan and
> the Taipeng rebellion. The Lord's Resistance Army of Sudan. God's Army
> in Thailand and Burma.
> Western Europe, the area with which you would be most familiar, lacks
> recent atrocities largely because previous atrocities were largely
> successful at exterminating other religious groups.
>> 2.How many of those unfortunate occourances were/are attributable to 
>> Wilson?
> None. Wilson is in the business of excusing past atrocities, as he
> lacks the power to create fresh ones.
>> 3.What is it you suggest should be done to curb the murderous rampage 
>> that
>> is causing this horrifying rift in the community, aside from spending an
>> excrusiating amount of time being tortured at 
>> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier?
> Starving Wilson's church to death using all powers short of state 
> coercion.
> Hope that helps.
> -- ACS

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