[Vision2020] NSA's accrediting agency is not recognized in Texas

[Tom Hansen]

Question, Mr. Crabtree and/or any NSA staff/faculty that may be lurking on
this listserve -

Dr. Roy Atwood, President of New Saint Andrews College, stated last year
(shortly after two NSA graduates were refused admission into the UI Graduate
Program) that he was upset UI refused to admit these students because (in
the past) several NSA graduates had been admitted into graduate programs of
other prestigious unitversities (I recall the University of Notre Dame being
mentioned).

Question:  Can you identify any specific NSA graduate that was admitted into
a graduate program of a public and/or private (accredited) university based
STRICTLY on their NSA transcripts?

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)

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Texas

"As if good scientists made up their own data in the laboratory!"

Please see:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8515

www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/07/68153

www.americanthinker.com/2006/08/fake_but_accurate_science.html

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17978

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19814-2005Feb12.html

http://sciencepoliticsclimatechange.blogspot.com/2006/08/role-of-consensus-i
n-science.html

http://chronicle.com/subscribe/login?url=http%3A%2F%2Fchronicle.com%2Fdaily%
2F2007%2F01%2F2007011002n.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45611-2005Mar17.html

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/10/28/mit_profe
ssor_is_fired_over_fabricated_data/

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Apr-02-Sat-2005/news/26204008.ht
ml

Why the very notion that data might be faked  by Scientists must be 
preposterous.

g













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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] NSA's accrediting agency is not recognized in Texas


> Greetings:
>
> Ralph Nielsen sent me this and he may want to post it here, but if he does

> not, here is some interesting news.
>
> First, the Transnational Association for Christian Colleges and Schools 
> (TRACS), New St. Andrews College's accrediting agency, was founded by 
> creationist Henry Morris; and second, TRACS is not recognized by Texas' 
> higher education authorities.  It is good to see that Texas has higher 
> academic standards than Idaho.
>
> Here is my favorite quotation from Henry Morris: "It is better to believe 
> in the revealed World of God than any science or philosophy devised by 
> man."  As if good scientists made up their own data in the laboratory!
>
> ICR SEEKS TO GRANT DEGREES IN TEXAS
>
> Morris explained, "The possibility of moving to Dallas surfaced when my 
> brother, Dr. Henry Morris III, discerned that a central location would be 
> beneficial for ICR, with several possibilities for student services at 
> nearby affiliated colleges.  The many good
> churches and large numbers of ICR supporters living in North Texas made it

> a
> natural fit for the ministry.  When my father [Henry Morris] was still 
> alive he
> approved the move to Dallas, especially as a way to strengthen the 
> graduate school.  In 2006, ICR opened a distance education effort in 
> Dallas,  as well as the hub of ICR's internet ministries. ... As 
> additional operational functions were assigned to the new Dallas office, 
> the Board concluded that it was in ICR's best interests to move the entire

> ministry."
>
> The ICR's graduate school was previously accredited by the Transnational
> Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), a group founded by 
> Henry Morris; Henry Morris III presently serves on its commission.   Texas

> does not recognize accreditation by TRACS, forcing the ICR to seek 
> temporary state certification while it applies for accreditation from the 
> Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS).  As a first step 
> toward certification, a committee of Texas educators visited the ICR's 
> facilities in Dallas to evaluate whether the ICR meets the legal 
> requirements for state certification.  The report described the
> educational program as "plausible," adding, "The proposed degree would be
> generally comparable to an initial master's degree in science education 
> from
> one of the smaller, regional universities in the state."
>
> NCSE's Eugenie C. Scott disagreed, telling the Dallas Morning News,
> "It sounds like the committee may have just taken at face value what
> the ICR claims ... There's a huge gulf between what the ICR is doing and 
> what
> they're doing at legitimate institutions like ... [the University
> of Texas] or Baylor."  (The committee members were a librarian, an 
> educational
> administrator, and a mathematician; none was professionally trained in
> biology, geology, or physics.)  Inside Higher Ed reported (December
> 17, 2007), "Some science groups are aghast by the idea that Texas would
> authorize master's degrees in science education that are based on complete
> opposition to evolution and literal acceptance of the Bible.  And these
> groups are particularly concerned because the students in these programs
> would be people who are or want to be school teachers."
>
> Although Patricia Nason, chair of the ICR's science education
> department, told the Dallas Morning News, "Our students are given both 
> sides.
> They need to know both sides, and they can draw their own conclusion,"
> the ICR's statement of faith includes the tenet, "All things in the 
> universe
> were created and made by God in the six literal days of the creation week
> described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11.  The 
> creation record is factual, historical and perspicuous; thus all theories 
> of origins or development which involve evolution in any form are false." 
> Similarly, applicants to the ICR's graduate school are explicitly told 
> that their answers to the essay questions on the application help to 
> determine "your dedication to the Lord, the Word, and teaching
> creation science."
>
> . . .
>
> Nick Gier
>
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