[Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.

Sun Dec 2 12:38:21 PST 2007

"...given Gary Crabtree was the fully
disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in
violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to
Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same conduct again, correct?"

Making assumptions based on nonexistent evidence is generally ill advised. As to the "rule" violation, I didn't regret it then and I don't regret it now. I don't feel compelled to abide by arbitrary boundaries set up by persons unknown without my input and applied retroactively. If this doesn't set well with certain folks out there in cyberville all I can say is oh well.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: "Steven Basoa" <sbasoa at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.

> All-
> 
> E-mail header below for privatejf35 at hotmail.com Vision2020 post from
> today.  I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the
> privatejf35 at hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe
> Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully
> disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in
> violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to
> Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same
> conduct again, correct?  For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it
> just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree.  How does Carnivore
> work, anyway?
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> Here is the simple result from the IP address:
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> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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> On 12/1/07, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know who "gray tree crab is either. (although I have my suspicions)
>> It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be my style to repost  items written by
>> others to bolster a left leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that
>> some of the folks out there with far more geek expertise then I could
>> determine fairly quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35
>> if they actually wanted to.
>>
>> g
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Steven Basoa
>> Cc: viz Vision 2020
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
>>
>> Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.
>>
>> Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's
>> identity is worse."
>>
>> Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will
>> always be above my own mark."
>>
>> signed,
>> anonym...
>>
>> Oops, I mean,
>> SB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
>> Please be assured that I am not.  I have never, to the best of my knowledge,
>> written anything that I did not attach my real name to, be it for the Daily
>> News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any other
>> venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's
>> identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will
>> always be above my own mark.  I defy Ms. Ford to present so much as the
>> tiniest shred of proof to back up her baseless allegation.
>>
>> g (ary crabtree) 30 November at 2:27 P.M.
>>
>
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