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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"...<EM>given Gary Crabtree was the
fully<BR>disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail,
in<BR>violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted
to<BR>Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same conduct
again, correct?"</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Making assumptions based on nonexistent
evidence is generally ill advised. As to the "rule" violation, I didn't regret
it then and I don't regret it now. I don't feel compelled to abide by arbitrary
boundaries set up by persons unknown without my input and applied retroactively.
If this doesn't set well with certain folks out there in cyberville all I can
say is oh well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Ted Moffett" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Vision
2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "Steven Basoa" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sbasoa@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sbasoa@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:04
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way
street.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> All-<BR>> <BR>> E-mail header below for </FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf35@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf35@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> Vision2020
post from<BR>> today. I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of
the<BR>> </FONT><A href="mailto:privatejf35@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf35@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> re-posting of
the private e-mail from Joe<BR>> Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary
Crabtree was the fully<BR>> disclosed source of the original posting of this
private e-mail, in<BR>> violation of the "rule" that private messages not be
posted to<BR>> Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the
same<BR>> conduct again, correct? For some reason I cannot clearly
clarify, it<BR>> just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree. How
does Carnivore<BR>> work, anyway?<BR>>
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----------------<BR>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<BR>> <BR>>
------------------------------------------<BR>> On 12/1/07, g. crabtree
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> I don't know who "gray tree crab is either.
(although I have my suspicions)<BR>>> It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be
my style to repost items written by<BR>>> others to bolster a left
leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that<BR>>> some of the folks
out there with far more geek expertise then I could<BR>>> determine fairly
quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35<BR>>> if they
actually wanted to.<BR>>><BR>>> g<BR>>><BR>>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>> From: Steven Basoa<BR>>> Cc: viz Vision
2020<BR>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM<BR>>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<BR>>><BR>>> Maybe J :]
meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.<BR>>><BR>>> Like
gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<BR>>>
identity is worse."<BR>>><BR>>> Also like gc, "I may on occasion try
to be funny (and fail) but it will<BR>>> always be above my own
mark."<BR>>><BR>>> signed,<BR>>>
anonym...<BR>>><BR>>> Oops, I mean,<BR>>>
SB<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Dec 1, 2007,
at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<BR>>> Please be assured that I am
not. I have never, to the best of my knowledge,<BR>>> written
anything that I did not attach my real name to, be it for the Daily<BR>>>
News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any
other<BR>>> venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping
another's<BR>>> identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and
fail) but it will<BR>>> always be above my own mark. I defy Ms. Ford
to present so much as the<BR>>> tiniest shred of proof to back up her
baseless allegation.<BR>>><BR>>> g (ary crabtree) 30 November at
2:27 P.M.<BR>>><BR>></FONT></BODY></HTML>