[Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
Scott Dredge
sdredge at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 2 11:54:32 PST 2007
It was HeirDoug posing as a woman on v2020. He posted nearly the same lame comment at the nearly the same time on Dale's blog at this link:
http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx
Gary was once again an innocent bystander on this site caught in the crossfire.
-Scott
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From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:13:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
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The last time this happened it turned out that the message actually was locatable to Bucers' Coffee/Book store. I personally spoke with the people at Cactus back then and they were supposed to be looking to it and stopping it. Seems like it worked for a while, but I duno....maybe Doug Farris is bored again and figures this is the way to liven his little life up.
As for Gary C...my apologies. I did not realize that e-mail was from a while ago or that it had been pirated and used/re-used for someone else's sick pleasure. I am sorry for assuming it was you. Given the message was written directly to you, I just figured you were part of this little game of shells. Again, my apologies.
J :]
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:04:46 -0800
> From: starbliss at gmail.com
> To: jampot at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
>
> All-
>
> E-mail header below for privatejf35 at hotmail.com Vision2020 post from
> today. I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the
> privatejf35 at hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe
> Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully
> disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in
> violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to
> Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same
> conduct again, correct? For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it
> just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree. How does Carnivore
> work, anyway?
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> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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> On 12/1/07, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know who "gray tree crab is either. (although I have my suspicions)
> > It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be my style to repost items written by
> > others to bolster a left leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that
> > some of the folks out there with far more geek expertise then I could
> > determine fairly quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35
> > if they actually wanted to.
> >
> > g
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steven Basoa
> > Cc: viz Vision 2020
> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
> >
> > Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.
> >
> > Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's
> > identity is worse."
> >
> > Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will
> > always be above my own mark."
> >
> > signed,
> > anonym...
> >
> > Oops, I mean,
> > SB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
> > Please be assured that I am not. I have never, to the best of my knowledge,
> > written anything that I did not attach my real name to, be it for the Daily
> > News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any other
> > venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's
> > identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will
> > always be above my own mark. I defy Ms. Ford to present so much as the
> > tiniest shred of proof to back up her baseless allegation.
> >
> > g (ary crabtree) 30 November at 2:27 P.M.
> >
>
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