<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">It was HeirDoug posing as a woman on v2020. He posted nearly the same lame comment at the nearly the same time on Dale's blog at this link:<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx</a></span><br><br>Gary was once again an innocent bystander on this site caught in the crossfire.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: J Ford <privatejf32@hotmail.com><br>To: Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com>; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:13:28 AM<br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>
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The last time this happened it turned out that the message actually was locatable to Bucers' Coffee/Book store. I personally spoke with the people at Cactus back then and they were supposed to be looking to it and stopping it. Seems like it worked for a while, but I duno....maybe Doug Farris is bored again and figures this is the way to liven his little life up.<br><br>As for Gary C...my apologies. I did not realize that e-mail was from a while ago or that it had been pirated and used/re-used for someone else's sick pleasure. I am sorry for assuming it was you. Given the message was written directly to you, I just figured you were part of this little game of shells. Again, my apologies.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br>> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:04:46 -0800<br>> From: starbliss@gmail.com<br>> To: jampot@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>> <br>>
All-<br>> <br>> E-mail header below for privatejf35@hotmail.com Vision2020 post from<br>> today. I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the<br>> privatejf35@hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe<br>> Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully<br>> disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in<br>> violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to<br>> Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same<br>> conduct again, correct? For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it<br>> just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree. How does Carnivore<br>> work, anyway?<br>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Here is the simple result from the IP address:<br>> <br>> X-Originating-IP: [216.98.239.39] resolves to:<br>> <br>> OrgName: Cactus International,
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[216.98.239.39]<br>> From: J Ford <privatejf35@hotmail.com><br>> To: "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:09:11 -0700<br>> Importance: Normal<br>> MIME-Version: 1.0<br>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 07:09:11.0733 (UTC)<br>> FILETIME=[12E31E50:01C833E9]<br>> X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.04212/99.74296 R:95.9108 P:94.4486 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<br>> X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.04212/99.74296 R:95.9108 P:94.4486 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>> X-BeenThere: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9<br>> Precedence: list<br>> List-Id: Moscow/Latah county community discussion list <<a target="_blank" href="http://vision2020.moscow.com">vision2020.moscow.com</a>><br>> List-Unsubscribe: <<a target="_blank"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020</a>>,<br>> <mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=unsubscribe><br>> List-Archive: <<a target="_blank" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020</a>><br>> List-Post: <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com><br>> List-Help: <mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=help><br>> List-Subscribe: <<a target="_blank" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020</a>>,<br>> <mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=subscribe><br>> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2056107903=="<br>> Sender: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>> Errors-To: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>> <br>> --===============2056107903==<br>> Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;<br>> boundary="_0e96e241-3861-475d-abf0-b9d00e75fc5e_"<br>> <br>> --_0e96e241-3861-475d-abf0-b9d00e75fc5e_<br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>> ----------------<br>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>> <br>> ------------------------------------------<br>> On 12/1/07, g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I don't know who "gray tree crab is either. (although I have my suspicions)<br>> > It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be my style to repost items written by<br>> > others to bolster a left leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that<br>> > some of the folks out there with far more geek expertise then I could<br>> > determine fairly quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35<br>> > if they actually wanted to.<br>> ><br>> > g<br>>
><br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Steven Basoa<br>> > Cc: viz Vision 2020<br>> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>> ><br>> > Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.<br>> ><br>> > Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>> > identity is worse."<br>> ><br>> > Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>> > always be above my own mark."<br>> ><br>> > signed,<br>> > anonym...<br>> ><br>> > Oops, I mean,<br>> > SB<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<br>> > Please be assured that I am not. I have never, to the best of my knowledge,<br>> > written anything that I did not attach my
real name to, be it for the Daily<br>> > News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any other<br>> > venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>> > identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>> > always be above my own mark. I defy Ms. Ford to present so much as the<br>> > tiniest shred of proof to back up her baseless allegation.<br>> ><br>> > g (ary crabtree) 30 November at 2:27 P.M.<br>> ><br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br><SPAN
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