[Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.

Sun Dec 2 00:04:46 PST 2007

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today.  I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the
privatejf35 at hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe
Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully
disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in
violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to
Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same
conduct again, correct?  For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it
just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree.  How does Carnivore
work, anyway?
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Subject: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett

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On 12/1/07, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know who "gray tree crab is either. (although I have my suspicions)
> It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be my style to repost  items written by
> others to bolster a left leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that
> some of the folks out there with far more geek expertise then I could
> determine fairly quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35
> if they actually wanted to.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven Basoa
> Cc: viz Vision 2020
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.
>
> Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.
>
> Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's
> identity is worse."
>
> Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will
> always be above my own mark."
>
> signed,
> anonym...
>
> Oops, I mean,
> SB
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
> Please be assured that I am not.  I have never, to the best of my knowledge,
> written anything that I did not attach my real name to, be it for the Daily
> News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any other
> venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's
> identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will
> always be above my own mark.  I defy Ms. Ford to present so much as the
> tiniest shred of proof to back up her baseless allegation.
>
> g (ary crabtree) 30 November at 2:27 P.M.
>