[Vision2020] Email Delays (was RE: Judge rules March schoo levy null and void)
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Sat Dec 1 06:17:59 PST 2007
1 December 06:05 A.M.
Thank you for the feedback. I will contact the Time Warner folks and see
what they have to say. If past experience is any indicator
I foresee disappointment (and likely a new internet provider) in my future.
Thanks again,
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
To: "'Paul Rumelhart'" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; "'g. crabtree'"
<jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Email Delays (was RE: Judge rules March schoo levy null and void)
> Hi Paul & Gary,
>
> Paul, you're a techie-kind of guy, aren't you? Can you look at the header
> of Gary's message to see where the delay was? I'm not sure how "header
> literate" I am, but to me, it looks like Gary's post might have just sat
> on
> Time Warner's mail server for a really long time.
>
> Gary, I've been having the exact same problem with distressing regularity
> since the switch to Time Warner/Roadrunner. Intermittently, things I send
> or things sent to me are being delayed by hours, days, and even downright
> disappearing altogether, and that's not just with V2020 posts. I've been
> doing battle with Time Warner's Tier 3 technical support with this problem
> for over a month. At least three times now I've been told they found the
> problem and fixed it only to have the problem return (or perhaps continue)
> within a very short time. In fact, I just realized their return call with
> a
> status report is overdue -- they were supposed to call me back by last
> night. <sigh>
>
> I understand intermittent problems are apparently the worst to try to
> troubleshoot, but this is getting plain ridiculous! I'm fed up enough
> that
> I'm considering dumping their services completely, a process made more
> attractive by the mailing we received earlier this week with nice price on
> DirectTV bundled with DSL service from Verizon.
>
> If someone else can look at the header and confirm that the problem is
> with
> Time Warner/Roadrunner, my suggestion is to call them up and give them
> h*ll
> . . . maybe you'll have better luck than I've had.
>
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
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> plus
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:07 AM
> To: g. crabtree
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
>
> I'm seeing this behavior, too. I was wondering if it was just
> yahoo.com, but it appears to be more widespread than that.
>
> Paul
>
> g. crabtree wrote:
>> Lest folks imagine that I'm running a little behind the pack, I posted
> this
>> reply on the 28th at 5:00 A.M. Is anyone else experiencing this sort of
> lag
>> in seeing their messages posted?
>>
>> g (at 5:45 A.M. 30 November)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; "Donovan Arnold"
>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
>>
>>
>>
>>> "I understand from Darrell's email that he was instrumental in getting
>>> the alternative school started. That's great - I'm glad he succeeded
>>> there."
>>>
>>> Please be aware that "instrumental" was not by way of ranting and
>>> railing
>>> and waving his arms wildly to and froe and not by writing emotionally
>>> charged
>>> screeds to V2020. Dr. Weitz purchased the property
>>> and building that is the alternative school. He paid to have it made
>>> into
>
>>> a
>>> facility to serve the needs of a decidedly underserved portion of the
>>> school
>>> district. He graciously gave the greatly improved parcel to the MSD at
>>> no
>>> charge.
>>> His thanks?
>>>
>>> "This is not a reasonable, calm, concerned, mature man; this is a bully,
>>> a professional gadfly, and a bit of an eccentric (she said, understating
>>> her point in
>>> the interest of civility).."
>>>
>>> Considering the reception his good deeds have garnered you might
>>> wonder why he still bothers to fight for the needs of the non-collage
>>> bound student. Despite what you read from MSD employees past and
>>> present, and others with a vested interest in seeing the status quo
>>> presented as the pinnacle of success, he still sees a need for improved
>>> opportunity for a large group of Moscow's kids and puts himself out
>>> there to see that they get it. What a bastard.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Judge rules March schoo levy null and void
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then he should keep trying, but not by using methods that are ethically
>>>> dubious. I don't find fault with his having a vision and wanting to
>>>> see
>>>> it through. I don't know that I agree with his vision myself, but it's
>>>> certainly possible that I would change my mind if good arguments were
>>>> presented to me on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> I understand from Darrell's email that he was instrumental in getting
>>>> the alternative school started. That's great - I'm glad he succeeded
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Paul ask,
>>>>>
>>>>> "Has Dr. Weitz tried the more common sense route of involving himself
> in
>>>>>
>>>>> the machinations of the school district in whatever way a private
>>>>> citizen is able to in order to effect change? Has he made a proposal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Has he done the research and come up with a plan for adding these
>>>>> classes? Has he presented it to the right people? Has he come up
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>> funding for this plan? Has he tried to make his voice heard in the
>>>>> right places? In short, has he done anything other than trying to
>>>>> strong-arm the district by bringing a lawsuit?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he did Paul. For years. But MSD doesn't listen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Donovan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> */Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but the proper legal channels for adding more vo-tech
>>>>> programs in the Moscow School District do not include suing said
>>>>> district over the validity of a levy that passed earlier this
>>>>> year.
>
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't know what those channels are, but I'm pretty sure that the
>>>>> levy is
>>>>> a completely separate issue from them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has Dr. Weitz tried the more common sense route of involving
>>>>> himself in
>>>>> the machinations of the school district in whatever way a private
>>>>> citizen is able to in order to effect change? Has he made a
>>>>> proposal?
>>>>> Has he done the research and come up with a plan for adding these
>>>>> classes? Has he presented it to the right people? Has he come up
>>>>> with
>>>>> funding for this plan? Has he tried to make his voice heard in the
>>>>> right places? In short, has he done anything other than trying to
>>>>> strong-arm the district by bringing a lawsuit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>>> > Joe,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "If Weitz wants a vo-tech program he'd be better off asking me
>>>>> to put
>>>>> > forth the
>>>>> > case for vo-tech -- for a fraction of what he's paying his
>>>>> lawyers and
>>>>> > with a
>>>>> > greater chance of success since then the MSD won't think that
>>>>> they are
>>>>> > being
>>>>> > blackmailed"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you feel you can provide such a service, what is stopping
>>>>> you? You
>>>>> > aren't holding out on the kids just to spite Weitz are you?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > How can it be blackmail if he is using the proper legal
>>>>> channels, and
>>>>> > winning?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Donovan
>>>>> >
>>>>> > */Joe Campbell /* wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Donovan,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What does the law suit have to do with the lack of a vo-tech
>>>>> program?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If Weitz wants a vo-tech program he'd be better off asking me to
>>>>> > put forth the
>>>>> > case for vo-tech -- for a fraction of what he's paying his
> lawyers
>>>>> > and with a
>>>>> > greater chance of success since then the MSD won't think that
> they
>>>>> > are being
>>>>> > blackmailed. Folks don't respond well to blackmail.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Joe Campbell
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