[Vision2020] Craig's official statement

Scott Dredge sdredge at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 29 09:42:21 PDT 2007 

I don't know Gary, is it possible?  If someone happens to be in a position of power and is denying rights for homosexuals and homosexual couples that are already available for hetoresexuals and heterosexual couples, don't you think that they should be able clearly explain why they believe same sex marriage / hate crime / equal rights is bad for the country instead of just saying "I believe it's bad" without citing any specifics?

-Scott

----- Original Message ----
From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:25:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official statement



 
 


Leaving aside the question of Senator Craig's 
sexuality, did I miss the legislation that made it mandatory that all 
homosexuals march in lockstep with the whole same sex marriage/hate crime/pro 
special rights agenda? Is it not possible to be homosexual and sincerely 
believe that these things are bad for the country and vote accordingly? 
Apparently not, what the heck could I have been thinking...

 

g

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>

To: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge at yahoo.com>

Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official 
statement




> Hey, I don't have anything to prove here.  I was just stating 
that, 
> based upon what I had heard at the time, it sounded possible that 
he 
> might have been innocent of the charges despite what he said in 
court.  
> Not that he *was* innocent, not that I wanted him to be 
innocent, not 
> that I even give a flying fsck whether he was innocent or 
not.  That was 
> based upon a story that detailed the crimes of 
touching another mans 
> foot in the stall next to you and reaching under 
the partition.
> 
> What a truly horrific thing for me to say.  
I should be ashamed of myself.
> 
> At the time, I hadn't read the 
NY Times article that Tom posted.  The 
> standing outside the 
restroom door for two minutes looking through the 
> crack thing falls 
neatly into the category of "odd behavior".
> 
> So, ok, maybe he is 
a hypocrite.  So here is another thought that will 
> probably get me 
reviled as Satan's second cousin or something, but how 
> do you avoid be 
hypocritical on some subjects when you are ostensibly 
> representing your 
constituents?  What do you do if you are inwardly 
> pro-homosexual, 
but your constituency isn't?  Were you elected to vote 
> as you 
wish?  Or were you elected to vote as your constituency wishes?  

> If he's a hypocrite, he became one the day he courted the electorate 

> that differed from his own personal views.
> 
> 
Paul
> 
> Scott Dredge wrote:
>> Oh give it up, Paul and 
Roger.  Are you guys not paying attention?  You can find Larry Craig's 
hypocrisy just about everywhere.  Did you not see his press conference 
today?  The first sentence out of his mouth was, "Thank you all very much 
for 'coming out' today" as if all the reporters and everyone else in the 
audience had some closeted secret that had come to light and they were owning up 
to it unlike himself. Criminy!  If that ain't hypocrisy, I guess I don't 
know what hypocrisy is.  Of course, maybe I don't know.  Hmmm...let me 
think about that a bit...
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>> 
----- Original Message ----
>> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> 
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; 
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
>> Cc: 
vision2020 at moscow.com
>> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:55:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 
Craig's official statement
>>
>> My sentiments also. I don't 
know where Craig stands on sexuality. Joe. maybe you could let us know were the 
hypocrisy is?
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Paul 
Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
>> Date: 
Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:25:26 -0700
>> To: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
>> 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official 
statement
>>
>>   
>>> Sure, be my 
guest.
>>>
>>> You're 
welcome.
>>>
>>> Is he actively anti-homosexual or 
something?  Despite the fact that he 
>>> gave me a nomination 
to the Air Force Academy in 1984 (which turned me 
>>> down) I 
haven't really followed his career that much.
>>>
>>> 
I'm just saying that I'd hate to be in that situation and not actually 

>>> be guilty.  Tapping your right foot.  Who knew?  
I might also be tempted 
>>> to just pay the damn fine and hope 
nobody notices, too.
>>>
>>> I do know I plan to keep 
both feet solidly on the floor for the duration 
>>> next time I'm 
in an airport restroom.
>>>
>>> 
Paul
>>>
>>> Joe Campbell 
wrote:
>>>     
>>>> 
Paul,
>>>>
>>>> You're not really that naive, are 
you? How about hypocrisy? Can we accuse him of 
that?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joe 
Campbell
>>>>
>>>> 
--------------------
>>>>
>>>> The article I read 
in the Washington Post said that he had tapped the 
>>>> foot of 
the person in the stall next him and reached under the 
>>>> 
partition. Naive to ways of the dance of restroom stall courtship and 

>>>> etiquette, I probably would have handed him some toilet 
paper blithely 
>>>> assuming that his dispenser was 
empty.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't yet read the articles 
linked to earlier - so it's possible it 
>>>> was more than that. 
But given what the Post said, I can't really accuse 
>>>> him of 
much myself.
>>>>
>>>> 
Paul
>>>>
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