[Vision2020] Religion Has No Part in Process

Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
Sun Aug 26 05:51:36 PDT 2007


Ted,

It's been a while since I helped write the county's personnel policy 
manual but I believe language similar to what you wrote is included. 
Each new employee must indicate they have read the policy with their 
signature.

m.

At 10:20 PM -0700 8/25/07, Ted Moffett wrote:
>
>Paul, keely et. al.
>
>Anyone hired for a public sector tax supported job should be 
>explicitly informed before they assume their public duties that any 
>form of discrimination or harassment, either toward fellow employees 
>or the public, or in the hiring process, based on race, gender, 
>religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation, is not acceptable. 
>Liability issues alone should justify that this explicit and clearly 
>emphasised policy be memorized by any new employee.  Was this 
>employee clearly informed of such a policy?  If you can't answer 
>this question authoritatively, you both need to reconsider the slant 
>of your statements.  If she was clearly informed of such a policy, 
>then the LCSO is engaging in the proper orientation process for new 
>employees, and she chose to ignore the policy or forgot.  If she was 
>not informed of such a policy, make your own assessment of how well 
>she was informed/educated about critical civil rights and 
>discrimination issues in the hiring process by LCSO.
>
>Paul wrote:
>
>So, I see no reason to reprimand the Sheriffs Office for this except 
>to suggest that they better enforce their computer usage policies.
>-----
>keely wrote:
>
>I agree with him that there is no cause at all for blaming the LCSO 
>for one young woman's immature, poorly-thought-out communique. 
>-----
>Ted Moffett
>
>On 8/25/07, keely emerinemix 
><<mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>Once again, Paul makes a number of excellent points.  I agree with 
>him that there is no cause at all for blaming the LCSO for one young 
>woman's immature, poorly-thought-out communique.  I don't see any 
>evidence that she represents anyone other than herself; to the 
>extent that emailing anyone from work is a representation of that 
>specific workplace, then I would say that all it truly represents is 
>the likelihood of hiring less-than-fully-mature people for 
>entry-level jobs -- a practice that speaks to the job market, 
>perhaps, but not solely to the Sheriff's Office.
>
>But Paul's most important point -- at least to me -- is that the 
>young woman would benefit from continued exposure to people Not Like 
>Her:  arreligious people, anti-religious people, older and younger 
>people, bad people and good people.  One of my biggest objections to 
>homeschooling and/or private religious education is that it's easy 
>to become convinced that the world is made up of Us and Them, "Us" 
>being represented by those who are Just Like Me, and "Them" 
>represented by the "Other" that one's own group needs in order to 
>solidify its ranks.  Some homeschoolers and private schoolers are 
>intentional about allowing their children to grow up around all 
>sorts of different people.  Most, in my experience, are not.  And 
>prolonged exposure to church and societal doctrines that are 
>especially restrictive when talking about gender roles, morality, 
>race, class, and culture more easily results in the kind of 
>small-world thinking that appears to have taken hold of this 
>particular sheriff's dispatcher.
>
>She shouldn't lose her job; I'm sure whatever official reprimand she 
>got will suffice.  I'd rather she take a few courses at a secular 
>university, subscribe to a magazine whose viewpoint she's inclined 
>to disagree with, and purpose to cast her net of social 
>acquaintances in seas wider than what she's used to.  I give that 
>advice to my own nieces and it's what I would suggest for her or any 
>other young person who's grown up in a world much smaller than the 
>one eventually faced in adulthood.  She would be a more valuable 
>asset to her employer, and the testimony of the Gospel wouldn't once 
>again be marred, even if unintentionally, by someone with an 
>undoubtedly good heart and an ineffably narrow resume of experience, 
>perspective, and education. 
>
>I will put my money where my mouth is on this one and gift her with 
>a free one-year membership to Christians for Biblical Equality.  If 
>she is reading this, or if someone who knows her is, all they have 
>to do is email me offline.
>
>keely
>
>keely
>
>"Patriarchy and its abuses, including the alienation of woman and 
>man from each other, resulted from the material demands of life 
>outside of the Creator's abundance,  a state God never intended 
>human beings to experience in the first place ... Redemption means 
>turning over the order of things in the fallen world."
>-- Dr. Carrie Miles
>
>
>
>
>>  Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:20:25 -0700
>>  From: <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> godshatter at yahoo.com
>>  To: <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>starbliss at gmail.com
>>  CC: <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> vision2020 at moscow.com
>
>>  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religion Has No Part in Process
>>
>>  Ted,
>>
>>  (Sorry for jumping in the middle here)
>>
>>  I understand your concerns well, since I'm not of her religion - and
>>  would possibly be looked down upon by her if she found out what my
>>  beliefs actually were. However, if she had simply sent the message from
>>  home I wouldn't have had a problem with it at all. She's welcome to her
>>  beliefs, and I see nothing wrong with asking a group of people that she
>>  feels, based on her own personal criteria, would be a good match for the
>>  job.
>>
>>  Of course, since she sent it from work, it looks official. However,
>>  I've seen nothing to indicate that this is anything more than a screwup
>>  on her part. She is saying that the Sheriff is a good Christian, the
>>  Sheriff isn't saying it in an official communication. It looks obvious
>>  to me that the email was not an official communication, and that there
>>  is no reason to believe that hiring only good Christian men in the
>>  ongoing fight against all that is evil is an official policy. So, I see
>>  no reason to reprimand the Sheriffs Office for this except to suggest
>>  that they better enforce their computer usage policies.
>>
>>  Yes, the lady in question probably could benefit from some interaction
>>  with people not of her religion. I wouldn't assume that a strongly
>>  religious person would treat anyone not of their religion any
>>  differently, though. From what I've seen, most people that are strongly
>>  religious like that treat everyone kindly but reserve a certain amount
>>  of extra concern for other members of their own church. It's the
>>  oddball fanatics that are at the top of the bell curve that make the
>>  news. It's possible that if everyone that worked there was of the same
>>  flavor of religion (or close enough that minor differences didn't
>>  matter) except for the new guy or gal, he or she might see some
>>  prejudice or at least a lot of tedious attempts at personal conversion
>>  off the job. However, that's a problem the person would take to their
>>  supervisor, and is not my concern.
>>
>>  That being said, if a group of officers started using their own
>>  religious ideals to overstep their bounds as law enforcement officers
>>  then it would be reasonable to jump on them for it.
>>
>>  I don't see this as being any different than my forwarding a job
>>  announcement at work to a linux mailing list, in the hopes of recruiting
>>  good pro-open source types to help in the fight against Evil Corporate
>>  Monopolies. If I sent it from work, it could be construed as an
>>  official policy by accident. However, there would be nothing wrong with
>>  my sending it from home. If we did hire, say, a Microsoft fanboy, there
>>  is no reason to believe that I would treat him or her any differently
>>  than anyone else. Differences aren't a problem unless they lead to
>>  actual abusive actions. Then it's the person taking the action that is
>>  at fault, not the fact that there are differences in the first place.
>>
>>  Paul
>>
>>  Ted Moffett wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Sue et. al.
>>  >
>>  > Assuming this communication was sent from Latah County Law enforcement
>>  > computers, personal use of work computers, whether in the public or
>>  > private sector, is sometimes tolerated. But sent from a tax payer
>>  > supported work computer or not, this e-mail sent to a church business
>  > > list (this was not a purely personal communication) expressing
>>  > religious and gender bias (the e-mail did not merely inform of job
>>  > openings, but expressed a desire for "Christian men" to fill the
>>  > ranks) from an employee of the Latah Sheriff Dept. raises serious
>>  > issues that an apology and press release do not fully address.
>>  >
>>  > Expressing preference for a specific religion and gender in a
>>  > communication to recruit fellow employees demonstrates arrogance
>>  > towards and disregard of the principle of non-discrimination in
>>  > hiring, a principle that all tax payer supported employees of all
>>  > public institutions should be thoroughly aware of and respect.
>>  >
>>  > Given this employee would prefer to have "Christian men" employed by
>>  > the Latah Sheriff's Dept, how well would this employee work with, for
>>  > example, a Wiccan, atheist or Islamic co-worker? What about a
>>  > lesbian? And in the "battle against evil," will this employee be
>>  > capable of maintaining total objectivity on the job, regarding ethical
>>  > issues that are problematic for their religion, given their obvious
>>  > religious bias?
>>  >
>>  > I doubt it. And this doubt extends to the objectivity that any
>>  > religious fundamentalist or extreme ideologue might be capable of
>>  > applying on the job.
>>  >
>>  > The fact this employee appeared oblivious to the ethical flaw in
>>  > promoting religious and gender discrimination (though we are being led
>>  > to believe this employee was not representing the department when
>>  > sending this communication?) in the hiring process for a public
>>  > service job clearly expresses the insular bias that is unconsciously
>>  > embedded in the mentality of religious fundamentalism.
>>  >
>>  > Quotes from the communication in question:
>>  >
>>  > "We currently have three open positions down in our jail," she wrote. "It
>>  > would be great to see them filled with Christian men. The Lieutenant
>>  > of the
>>  > jail, Jim Loyd, is a strong Christian and so are several of the detention
>>  > deputies."
>>  >
>>  > "You are issued a handgun and rifle, and you get to work for Sheriff Wayne
>>  > Rausch, a wonderful Christian," she continues. "Working as a cop is an
>>  > excellent opportunity for Christians to be at the forefront in the battle
>>  > against evil."
>>  > --------------------
>>  > Ted Moffett
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 8/24/07, *Sue Hovey* <<mailto:suehovey at moscow.com> suehovey at moscow.com
>>  > <mailto:<mailto:suehovey at moscow.com>suehovey at moscow.com> > wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Roger, et al. When one is posting a message on a computer which
>>  > belongs to
>>  > the place where you work, the message better be in compliance with
>>  > hiring
>>  > practice and the law. Regardless of her views, she should not be
>>  > posting
>>  > them on a computer that does not specifically belong to her.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Sue
>>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>  > From: "lfalen" < <mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com> 
>>lfalen at turbonet.com 
>><mailto:<mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com>lfalen at turbonet.com>>
>>  > To: "keely emerinemix" < <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>  > <mailto:<mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com> kjajmix1 at msn.com>>; "Debbie Gray"
>>  > < <mailto:graylex at yahoo.com>graylex at yahoo.com 
>><mailto:<mailto:graylex at yahoo.com> graylex at yahoo.com>>; "Tom 
>>Hansen" <
>>  > <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com 
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>>  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religion Has No Part in Process
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > > Keely
>>  > > You and many other may disagree with her, but there was nothing
>>  > wrong with
>>  > > her expressing her views. It was intended to be a private
>>  > communication.
>>  > > It was not an official job posting or representing the
>>  > department in any
>>  > > way. What is suspect is the leaking of a private communication
>>  > to Vera
>>  > > White.
>>  > > Roger
>>  > >
>>  >
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