[Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest

[g. crabtree]

Oh dear, another in a long line of points missed I'm afraid. I am not in 
favor
of "CC-owned establishments asking gays and lesbians to leave their 
premises."
I am in favor of their right to do so. I do not support the choice, I 
support the
right to make it. An overly subtle difference for you perhaps but a 
difference
none the less. If this bit of rhetoric provides you with another measure of
amazement, (or more likely sails past you unexamined) you're welcome. What
amazes me is how in your lexicon "pretty much" equates to "not that much at 
all, really."

g

P.S. Let's also bear in mind that the whole "asking the homosexual crowd to 
leave
the premises" thing was, to the best of my recollection, a completely 
unsubstantiated
rumor. A charge that was easy to make but difficult to verify. Not that 
verifiable fact
has ever had anything to do with allegations hurled on this forum.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest


> Gary,
>
> I never said you said anything. I said that you were "supportive of 
> CC-owned
> establishments asking gays and lesbians to leave their premises if they so
> choose." And, in the second paragraph below, you admit this very thing!
>
> It amazes me how your rhetorical engine never slows. Even when you pretty
> much just substantiate one of my posts in a reply, it is important to you 
> to
> make it seem as if we disagree and that I've made some awful mistake.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> =============
> And when exactly did I say I was "supportive of CC-owned establishments
> asking gays and lesbians to leave their premises if they so choose?" 
> Answer,
> never but that has never stopped Mr. Campbell in the past from trying 
> vainly
> to make a feeble point, why would he start now?
>
> For the record, I AM in favor of a private business person doing what ever
> he wants on his private property. I, personally think that it would be
> foolish to ask gays to leave simply for being gay but that's just me. I'm 
> a
> mercenary tradesman who provides services for money, anybodies money.
> (within certain legal limits) My standards are so relaxed that I have even
> worked for philosophy professors. Admittedly I did feel a little dirty
> afterward but a shower solved that problem.
>
> The GSA is supported with public dollars, meets on public property, is
> sponsored by a public institution and is supposedly open to all, including
> straight people. (hence the S in GSA) From the very first sentence of 
> their
> mission statement:
>
> The mission of the Gay Straight Alliance is to promote a positive and
> inclusive atmosphere for all people.
>
> Two standards? Yes for two distinctly different situations.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest
>
>
>>I think it is interesting that Crabtree finds it problematic when a club
>>asks some non-members to leave a meeting but is supportive of CC-owned
>>establishments asking gays and lesbians to leave their premises if they so
>>choose.
>>
>> When will the double standards and double-speak stop, I wonder?
>>
>> --
>> Joe Campbell
>>
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