[Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Mon Aug 6 17:54:33 PDT 2007
Outstanding as long as you don't let little details like what actually occurred intrude
on a carefully sculpted fairy tale.
Please see:
http://www.argonaut.uidaho.edu/archives/121203/news6.html
No mention of "disrupting meetings, ruining leadership elections and things like that"
The CRF students were merely in quiet attendance at an open meeting and were asked
to leave due to the other members vague "feelings" of discomfort with their presence.
>From the above referenced article:
"Raul Sanchez, special assistant to the president for diversity and human rights, spoke with members of CRF and GSA, but not with the students who were asked to leave.
“The CRF students reported to me that their friends were not given a reason for being asked to leave,” he said. “The GSA students reported to me that they were asked to leave because the CRF students did not agree with the mission of the GSA and felt their presence to be disruptive and counterproductive to the work of the GSA. GSA students also felt threatened simply by their presence.”
“I found it surprising just how uncomfortable they were with our presence, since we were only sitting there, listening,” Miltenberger said."
Perhaps the club should rename itself The Gay and Carefully Screened for Ideological Purity Alliance Who Develop a Major Case of the Vapors in the Face of Anything Other Than Complete and Total Agreement With Our Agenda Alliance. Too unwieldy? How about The Weak Sisters?
g
----- Original Message -----
From: keely emerinemix
To: Andreas Schou ; Glenn Schwaller
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest
Outstanding, Andreas. Thank you.
keely
"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"
(With apologies to David Bowie)
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:27:22 -0700
> From: ophite at gmail.com
> To: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest
>
> On 8/5/07, Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Geez you
> > liberal-love-diversity-why-can't-we-all-just-get-along-except-when-I-don't-like-you
> > folks certainly can work yourself up into a rabid lather over pretty much
> > nothing.
> >
> > No, I don't think I mean like "the Campus Reformed Fellowship members, in
> > 2003, that
> > repeatedly showed up to disrupt meetings". I think I specifically said "if
> > a similar protest was organized . . ." So, unless Friday's protest was
> > designed to "disrupt meetings, ruin leadership elections, and things like
> > that" your snide reference to a 2003 event is a bit off the mark. But your
> > response certainly demonstrated (once again) my point - It's OK if we do it
> > to you, but you can't do it to us.
>
> Great.
>
> So, we have established that you specifically think that it's fine to
> show up to Head of Household meetings and shout down whoever happens
> to be speaking, right? To *actually* intrude on your right to free
> assembly and free practice of your religion, rather than merely appear
> in a venue where you would prefer them not to be?
>
> People are accountable for what they believe. Religious beliefs do not
> occupy some bizarre conceptual space where they are immune from
> criticism, especially when they advocate murder-by-judiciary. Tell me,
> Glenn, what is Moscow's gay community supposed to do: believe that
> there's a reasonable disagreement to be had about whether they are
> allowed to continue to live?
>
> -- ACS
>
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