[Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
Carl Westberg
carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 4 08:25:01 PDT 2007
My Barbarella comment was, obviously completely tongue in cheek. It's an
awful movie, but Jane Fonda was indeed sizzling hot, as Scott said. I can
relate totally to Gary's antipathy toward Miss Fonda. I have the same
feelings about Ann Coulter. Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>To: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge at yahoo.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:59:39 -0700
>
>Scott,
>
>Snopes and the urban legends site act as though the information that Pat
>posted just appeared anonymously out of thin air in an effort to make your
>teen age fantasy look bad. Check out:
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~american_families/id37.html
>
>Mike Benge appears to be only too willing to put his name and reputation on
>the line to make sure that Hanoi Jane's exploits are not buried under a
>weak apology and a Barbara Walters white wash.
>
>You might also Google Vietnam vets on Jane Fonda and see if you find many
>loving remembrances.
>
>As to Barbarella, I guess you had to have seen it young. I first saw the
>movie when I was in my late twenties, nearly two decades after it first
>came out. I was sure that the homeliest stripper I had ever seen in the San
>Diego dive bars was head and shoulders (and all those other parts) better
>looking. More wholesome in overall appearance and more refined in their
>comportment. Probably less likely to give you a nasty burning sensation
>when you shake hands with Mr. Johnson as well.
>
>g
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge at yahoo.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
>
>
> > g.
> >
> > Snopes is only one data point. Check out several others to get a
>perspective (always a good idea) and then form your own opinion. Snopes is
>OK. I like the urban legend site more. Here's the link.
> >
> > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm
> >
> > Jane Fonda was sizzling hot in Barbarella.
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > To: Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 7:06:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
> >
> > Snopes.com is often put forward in this forum as the definitive last
>word on
> > all matters of disputable fact. A thing to keep in mind is that the site
>is
> > not run by some all knowing, all powerful deity, it is run by Dave &
>Barb
> > Mikkelson, a web programmer and housewife respectively who live in the
>Los
> > Angeles area and they have been show on several occasions to allow their
> > decidedly liberal slant to be displayed on their site. While snopes may
>be
> > fine for arbitrating the odd alligators in the sewer myth or claims of
> > exploding household products, when it comes to matters touching on the
> > political one would do well to keep their gullibility on a short leash.
> >
> > All that aside why would anyone need additional reasons to despise Jane
> > Fonda? Snopes or no snopes there is no question that what she did in
>Viet
> > Nam was despicable and that she is indeed a traitor to her country.
>Hell, On
> > Golden Pond and Agnes of God would be reason enough to vilify her.
> >
> > g
> >
> > P.S. Barbarella was probably her finest work and if that isn't damning
>her
> > with faint praise I don't know what is.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carl Westberg" <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
> >
> >
> >> http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
> >>>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:35:28 GMT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > This incident is new to me...does anyone else know if it is really
> >>> > true?
> >>>I agree she was awful but I didn't know this one.
> >>> >
> >>> > Joan Million
> >>> > jmillion1 at earthlink.net
> >>> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > Sent: 7/30/2007 9:09:47 AM
> >>> > Subject: Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -------Original Message-------
> >>> > -----
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Subject: Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Just a reminder of who she really is!!!!!
> >>> >
> >>> > SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > In Memory of
> >>> >
> >>> > my brother -in- law
> >>> >
> >>> > LT. C.Thomsen Wieland
> >>> >
> >>> > who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED
> >>> >
> >>> > ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > She really is a traitor
> >>> >
> >>> > A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
> >>> > KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
> >>> > not remember, and didn't have to bear the
> >>> > burden that our fathers, mothers and older
> >>> > brothers and sisters had to bear.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
> >>> > "100 Women of the Century."
> >>> >
> >>> > BY BARBRA WALTERS
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
> >>> > countless others have never known how Ms.
> >>> > Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
> >>> > but specific men who served and sacrificed
> >>> > during Vietnam
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
> >>> > Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
> >>> > the "Hanoi Hilton."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
> >>> > cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
> >>> > ordered to describe for a visiting American
> >>> > "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
> >>> > treatment" he'd received.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
> >>> > dragged away.
> >>> > During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
> >>> > on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which
> >>> > sent that officer berserk.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
> >>> > double vision (which permanently ended his
> >>> > flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
> >>> > application of a wooden baton.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > >From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
> >>> > 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
> >>> > "Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
> >>> > family only knew he was "missing in action".
> >>> > His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
> >>> > His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
> >>> > clothed routine in preparation for a
> >>> > "peace delegation" visit.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > They, however, had time and devised a plan to
> >>> > get word to the world that they were alive
> >>> > and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
> >>> > piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
> >>> > on it, in the palm of his hand.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
> >>> > cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
> >>> > man's hand and asking little encouraging
> >>> > snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
> >>> > babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
> >>> > treatment from your benevolent captors?"
> >>> > Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
> >>> > palmed her their sliver of paper.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > She took them all without missing a beat. At the
> >>> > end of the line and once the camera stopped
> >>> > rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
> >>> > she turned to the officer in charge and handed
> >>> > him all the little pieces of paper.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
> >>> > Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
> >>> > but he survived, which is the only reason we
> >>> > know of her actions that day.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I was a civilian economic development advisor
> >>> > in Vietnam , and was captured by the North
> >>> > Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
> >>> > 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
> >>> > year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
> >>> > in a "black box" in Hanoi .
> >>> > My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
> >>> > poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
> >>> > nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
> >>> > Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
> >>> > Cambodian border.
> >>> >
> >>> > At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
> >>> > (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
> >>> > the camp communist political officer if I would
> >>> > be willing to meet with her.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
> >>> > treatment we POWs received... and how
> >>> > different it was from the treatment purported by
> >>> > the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
> >>> > "humane and lenient."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
> >>> > floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
> >>> > with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
> >>> > and beaten with a bamboo cane.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
> >>> > soon after I was released. I asked her
> >>> > if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
> >>> > She never did answer me.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
> >>> > someone who should be honored as part
> >>> > of "100 Years of Great Women."
> >>> > Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
> >>> > should never include a traitor whose hands are
> >>> > covered with the blood of so many patriots.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > There are few things I have strong visceral
> >>> > reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
> >>> > blatant treason, is one of them.
> >>> > Please take the time to forward to as many
> >>> > people as you possibly can.
> >>> > It will eventually end up on her computer and
> >>> > she needs to know that we will never forget.
> >>> > RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
> >>> > 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
> >>> > Maintenance
> >>> > DSN: 875-6431
> >>> > COMM: 883-6343
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
> >>> > EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
> >>> > ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
> >>> > STATUS WILL CHANGE
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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