[Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Thu Aug 2 18:47:54 PDT 2007
Some people can justify anything and have for centuries so not much has changed in our enlightened society. Shame on some of you!!
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From: keely emerinemix
To: g. crabtree ; donald huskey ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'
I believe that laws regarding protected classes -- women, gays, Asians born in Singapore, Sikhs, for example -- exist in regard to public access. You cannot, thank God (and with no thanks to conservative white Southerners) deny your black neighbor a seat at your lunch counter; you can, however, choose to not sell a car or a chunk of land to someone if they intend on buying it through a proxy because it's not likely that you'd want to sell to them if you knew.
I suppose that litigation could rightly be pursued if you chose to limit "access" to the property you sell based on your hatred of their sexuality, religious creeds, or skin color, but I think that any landowner has the right to discern between property buyers who are upfront about their purchase and plans and those who aren't, as well as among those whose eventual plans for the property may not, in the seller's eyes, pass muster with the City.
Remove the proxy, remove what sounds like an unworkable plan for a small parcel, and remove from consideration the record of the folks buying in, and (I say) sell to whoever can buy it. But the purchase-by-proxy, if true, as well as the unlikely approval of such a building, would give me pause. The extraordinary track record by the hopeful purchaser would, I think, seal the NO DEAL for me.
keely
"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"
(With apologies to David Bowie)
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From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:55:46 -0700
Ms. Mix postulates:
"It seems at some point that the seller would be made aware of the real purchaser and still be within his or her legal right to interrupt the sale."
What if the erstwile seller were to have become aware that the real purchaser was Jewish, or gay, or an uppity woman? Would he still have been within his legal right to interrupt the sale? Or does this discriminatory policy for land transactions only come into play when dealing with "the earnest and sweater vest clad." Could you please provide me with a list of the groups you feel are deserving of this kind of "special" attention? I mean heck, if you don't have to sell land to them why should you have to sell them food or clothes, rent them lodging or allow them to interact with righteous folk such as yourself in any manner?
g
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From: keely emerinemix
To: donald huskey ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'
How in the world can a piece of land between a half-acre and an acre in size accommodate not only a large church building, but the parking space congregants will need? Surely they're not planning on using any Gritman parking space!
And how does the proxy thing work, anyway? It seems at some point that the seller would be made aware of the real purchaser and still be within his or her legal right to interrupt the sale. Were purchase and building funds loaned to Christ Church, to a sudden LLC made up of elders, or to a single person who, I would presume, then secured a promise to have the church pay the mortgage -- and who, then, acted as co-signer or guarantor for whom? Will the building be tax-exempt as a church, or will we see the same questions being raised and yet not answered this time around?
And will the new "cathedral" also have classroom space for a newly-expanded New St. Andrews, whose administrators insist that their having complied with the city's parking requirements means they are free to raise their previously agreed-upon enrollment cap? Will increases in NSA's future enrollment be assured -- to 250? 500? 1,000, including alternative-classics scholars? -- now that parking for the new sanctuary can be used, presumably, by the earnest and sweater-vest clad?
And what of the urban-renewal aspect of that and nearby parcels? Is this what the City had in mind by "urban renewal"? A large church on about half an acre? Really?
Is someone in City government going to ask these questions?
If the proposed Wilson-Hoffman-Gray subdivision on North Polk comes into being -- and I'd invite you all to take a look at the many iterations of building plans and plats the three have offered to the City; it's, in my mind, a Second Circle of Hell-type subdivision -- will we have the Kirk effectively heralding the North and South edges of Moscow? Perhaps we can take steps now to make sure they don't attempt to have the state line moved -- with a little hard work and bonhomie, why not try for the West entrance as well? (I don't worry about the East; after all, that's just for Troy and Bovill, a demographic entirely unnecessary to plans for the Oxford of the Inland Northwest).
Or could it be that the new parcel will be used to house the Christ Church Community Food Bank? Oh, wait. That'd just be silly.
keely
"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"
(With apologies to David Bowie)
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From: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:16:00 -0700
Subject: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'
Visionaries:
Today, according to my source, the land deal for the projected Kirk Cathedral will close. A proxy was selected to purchase the land since, I am told, the Kirk has had difficulty securing land after the seller is made aware of the buyer. The plan is to build on the little tiny triangle across from Gritman that is only .7 of an acre. The building will accommodate a projected 1,000 to 1,200 people. What is a church (or any non property tax paying entry) doing on land designated for urban renewal, you ask? Ms. Lund and I have raised that question several times over the past two years with little success. Perhaps the time is ripe to reopen the question. Or, has Doug Wilson finally succeeded in making a very concrete statement about his claim that Moscow is his town?
Rose Huskey
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