[Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'

Thu Aug 2 17:12:40 PDT 2007

I believe that laws regarding protected classes -- women, gays, Asians born in Singapore, Sikhs, for example -- exist in regard to public access.  You cannot, thank God (and with no thanks to conservative white Southerners) deny your black neighbor a seat at your lunch counter; you can, however, choose to not sell a car or a chunk of land to someone if they intend on buying it through a proxy because it's not likely that you'd want to sell to them if you knew. I suppose that litigation could rightly be pursued if you chose to limit "access" to the property you sell based on your hatred of their sexuality, religious creeds, or skin color, but I think that any landowner has the right to discern between property buyers who are upfront about their purchase and plans and those who aren't, as well as among those whose eventual plans for the property may not, in the seller's eyes, pass muster with the City.Remove the proxy, remove what sounds like an unworkable plan for a small parcel, and remove from consideration the record of the folks buying in, and (I say) sell to whoever can buy it.  But the purchase-by-proxy, if true, as well as the unlikely approval of such a building, would give me pause.  The extraordinary track record by the hopeful purchaser would, I think, seal the NO DEAL for me.keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what they're going through"(With apologies to David Bowie)From: jampot at roadrunner.comTo: kjajmix1 at msn.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a gateway to Moscow'Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:55:46 -0700

Ms. Mix postulates:

"It seems at some point that the seller would be made aware of the real 
purchaser and still be within his or her legal right to interrupt the 
sale."

What if the erstwile seller were to have become aware that 
the real purchaser was Jewish, or gay, or an uppity woman? Would he 
still have been within his legal right to interrupt the sale? Or does 
this discriminatory policy for land transactions only come into play when 
dealing with "the earnest and sweater vest clad." Could you please provide 
me with a list of the groups you feel are deserving of this kind of "special" 
attention? I mean heck, if you don't have to sell land to them why 
should you have to sell them food or clothes, rent them lodging or allow 
them to interact with righteous folk such as yourself in any 
manner?

g

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  keely emerinemix 

  To: donald huskey ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral 
  l as a gateway to Moscow'

  How in the world can a piece of land between a 
  half-acre and an acre in size accommodate not only a large church building, 
  but the parking space congregants will need?  Surely they're not planning 
  on using any Gritman parking space!  And how does the proxy thing 
  work, anyway?  It seems at some point that the seller would be made aware 
  of the real purchaser and still be within his or her legal right to interrupt 
  the sale.  Were purchase and building funds loaned to Christ Church, to a 
  sudden LLC made up of elders, or to a single person who, I would presume, then 
  secured a promise to have the church pay the mortgage -- and who, then, acted 
  as co-signer or guarantor for whom?  Will the building be tax-exempt as a 
  church, or will we see the same questions being raised and yet not answered 
  this time around?  And will the new "cathedral" also have 
  classroom space for a newly-expanded New St. Andrews, whose administrators 
  insist that their having complied with the city's parking requirements means 
  they are free to raise their previously agreed-upon enrollment cap?  Will 
  increases in NSA's future enrollment be assured -- to 250?  500?  
  1,000, including alternative-classics scholars? -- now that parking for the 
  new sanctuary can be used, presumably, by the earnest and sweater-vest 
  clad?  And what of the urban-renewal aspect of that and nearby 
  parcels?  Is this what the City had in mind by "urban renewal"?  A 
  large church on about half an acre?  Really?Is someone in City 
  government going to ask these questions?  If the proposed 
  Wilson-Hoffman-Gray subdivision on North Polk comes into being -- and I'd 
  invite you all to take a look at the many iterations of building plans and 
  plats the three have offered to the City; it's, in my mind, a Second Circle of 
  Hell-type subdivision -- will we have the Kirk effectively heralding the North 
  and South edges of Moscow?  Perhaps we can take steps now to make sure 
  they don't attempt to have the state line moved -- with a little hard work and 
  bonhomie, why not try for the West 
  entrance as well?  (I don't worry about the East; after all, that's just 
  for Troy and Bovill, a demographic entirely unnecessary to plans for the 
  Oxford of the Inland Northwest).  Or could it be that the new 
  parcel will be used to house the Christ Church Community Food Bank?  Oh, 
  wait.  That'd just be 
  silly.keely"And these women that you spit on as they try to 
  change their worlds/Are immune to your consultations . . . they're 
  quite aware of what they're going through"(With apologies to David 
  Bowie)

    From: donaldrose at cpcinternet.comTo: vision2020 at moscow.comDate: Thu, 
    2 Aug 2007 13:16:00 -0700Subject: [Vision2020] A Kirk Cathdral l as a 
    gateway to Moscow'

    Visionaries:

    Today, according 
    to my source, the land deal for the projected Kirk Cathedral will 
    close.  A proxy was selected to purchase the land since, I am told, the 
    Kirk has had difficulty securing land after the seller is made aware of the 
    buyer.  The plan is to build on the little tiny triangle across from 
    Gritman that is only .7 of an acre.  The building will accommodate a 
    projected 1,000 to 1,200 people.  What is a church (or any non property 
    tax paying entry) doing on land designated for urban renewal, you ask?  
    Ms. Lund and I have raised that question several times over the past two 
    years with little success.  Perhaps the time is ripe to reopen the 
    question.  Or, has Doug Wilson finally succeeded in making a very 
    concrete statement about his claim that Moscow is 
    his town?  

    Rose 
    Huskey

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