[Vision2020] Who Dat?

Wed Apr 25 06:16:35 PDT 2007

Exactly, Saundra (and thank you for your comments).

"Unemployed writers" as Wilkins calls them should not be considered an
attribute of "Born in Slavery", Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers'
Project (1936-1938)

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html

Thanks again, Saundra.

Tom Hansen

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:05 PM
To: 'Sue Hovey'; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Dat?

Hi Sue,

The man interviewed in the radio clip was, I think, Steve Wilkins, Doug
Wilson's sidekick & good buddy.  As such, we know enough to know that they
are fans of revisionist history, even when it means plagarising it.

That said, I believe the narrative collection he was referring to was
published as _The American Slave: A Composite Autobiography_.  For more
information on this project, as well as a sampling of the narratives, see:
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/wpahome.html

Mr. Fort's comments are insightful:
"It is worthwhile to read the narratives closely, watching and listening for
unexpected details, unspoken feelings, and hidden meanings. Often the full
meanings of the narratives will remain unclear, but the ambiguities
themselves bear careful consideration. When Emma Crockett spoke about
whippings, she said that "All I knowed, 'twas bad times and folks got
whupped, but I kain't say who was to blame; some was good and some was bad."
We might discern a number of reasons for her inability or unwillingness to
name names, to be more specific about brutalities suffered under slavery.
She admitted that her memory was failing her, not unreasonable for an
eighty-year-old. She also told her interviewer that under slavery she lived
on the "plantation right over yander,"and it is likely that the children or
grandchildren of her former masters, or her former overseers, still lived
nearby; the threat of retribution could have made her hold her tongue. Or,
perhaps in her old age she had come to view her life as a slave with
equanimity and forgiveness. It is impossible to know why she reserved
judgment, but it is worth considering the possibilities."
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/reading.html

Clearly, critical thinking skills aren't one of Wilkins' fortes, and we
shouldn't blame him for his shortcomings were it not for the fact that he
doesn't have the sense the good Lord gave him to keep his trap shut.  Having
spend more than a few hours reading actual narratives, I can only assume
that Wilkins did what he's so good at:  picking & choosing *only* the
information that suits his purpose and discarding all the rest.  Quite
frankly, the man wouldn't know objectivity if it reared up and bit him on
his ample behind.

If you're interested in reading more, you might also want to check out:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/wpaintro/wpahome.html
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html

Another resource is:
http://medicolegal.tripod.com/weldslaveryasis.htm
I found this resource courtesy of Tom's Not on the Palouse Web site:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/

HTH,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

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nothing.
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Sue Hovey
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:09 PM
To: Tom Hansen; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Who Dat?

I listened and reflected on what was said, and as a preamble to my remarks, 
count me as one who thinks any connection between his reality and mine is 
purely coincidental.

"Two different races dwelt together in harmony and true affection."  For 
god's sake that wasn't even happening in the 20s and 30s, (when the 
interviews were said to have been done), then by what stretch of the 
imagination would one infer it happened in the early and middle 1800s.  He 
says those interviews were done in the late 20s and early 30s.  That would 
mean the youngest interviewees had to have been born say 1860 and even they 
would have been 70 by 1930.  And that would be the youngest group who lived 
as slaves.  I doubt very many could have been slaves as adults. They would 
have had to been born in 1840 or so and that would make them 90 at the time 
of the interviews, and he says there were thousands of interviews.   In the 
1930s the average lifespan in the U.S. was about 55.  This stuff doesn't 
even fit into a legitimate timeline.

We have 3 choices,  I think:   We can believe those interviews represent the

truth, we can believe the former slaves didn't remember their early lives, 
or we can believe these testimonies, if they even exist, are pure fiction.. 
The first option has little historical validity, the second is an insult to 
African American intelligence, so I'll go with number three.

Tom, is that stuff  the pap you are going to be spoon feeding us over the 
next few days?  I want a refund.

Sue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Who Dat?

> Greetings Visionaires -
>
> Just to add a little bit of adventure to Vision 2020's bandwidth, I have a
> rather extensive library of fairly recent recordings.  I will spoon-feed 
> you
> short sound-bites (accompanied with brief descriptions of their context).
>
> Your objective is simply to answer the question . . .
>
> Who Dat?
>
> First up:  This interview took place April 19, 2007 (That's right - last
> Thursday) on radio station KBJS 90.3 FM out of Jacksonville, Texas.
> Disregard the on-air personality.  But, how about the person being
> interviewed . . .
>
> "Who Dat?"
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/KBJS_Interview_041907_06.mp3
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church.  If I found out that a
> member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the
> community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his 
> reputation,
> yes, he'd be disciplined."
>
> - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)
>
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