[Vision2020] [Spam] Guns or thoughts

Sun Apr 22 19:05:39 PDT 2007

So if someone goes to the police about someone else it's just a 
"neighbor-to-neighbor" thing?  So now it has to go to a judge?  That's a 
step in the right direction.  Now all we need is to have evidence and 
burden-of-proof and all that other nonsense that protects innocent 
people from wrongful convictions.

If you are suggesting that certain mental conditions should be grounds 
for not being able to purchase a gun, I can agree with you only if there 
is a good process in place to ensure that there are few (if any) false 
positives.  However, while this guy was on people's radars, he was not 
thought to be enough of a problem to be committed, so it's possible that 
he could not be thought of as enough of a problem to be put on this 
magic list.

I'm sure the system can be modified to be more diligent in this area, 
and I imagine we will be sick-to-death of hearing about attempts to do 
just that soon enough.

As to the word "paranoid", I'm not frightened of this happening to 
myself.  I'm just looking out for those who might be wrongfully tagged 
as being officially "mentally deranged" or whatever.  Are you concerned 
about this aspect of things?  Isn't it possible that without controls in 
place that someone could cause a whole heap of trouble for someone else 
with a simple anonymous phone call?  Is that a good idea?

Paul

J Ford wrote:
> Sorry, can't agree with your paranoid reply to my statement.
>
> This young man obviously had a LOT of people concerned about his 
> mental heal status and NOTHING was out there to prevent him from 
> lawfully gaining a way to excercise his delusions.  IF a note or a 
> file had been made stating contact had been made and the judge on down 
> was concerned for his and other's safety, we would not have had a VA 
> Tech incident.
>
> What you are presenting here is just a neighbor v. neighbor type of 
> thing and is not the same at all.  One was in front of a judge, the 
> other would likely never get to that point.
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> J  :]
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>> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam] Guns or thoughts
>> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:33:39 -0700
>>
>> J Ford wrote:
>>> What do you want to bet that gets changed?  As long as a contact was 
>>> made, it should be registered.  (Ok...all you "privacy 
>>> freaks"....have at it!  Just remember that one of these days, it 
>>> could be YOUR kid that gets shot and/or killed by a person of lesser 
>>> mental state because there is currently no law on the books to 
>>> safeguard the public in general, not just the individual.)
>>>
>>
>> Just remember that it might be someone that YOU know that doesn't 
>> like you for whatever reason that tells the police that they think 
>> you are a lunatic which then gets on the books as a public record 
>> making you unable to buy a gun, with who knows how many other 
>> repercussions.  There is a reason that evidence and proof are 
>> necessary before ruining someone's life.
>>
>> The question here should be: "how did this young man escape getting 
>> committed for a period of time officially?"  From what I've heard, he 
>> was on the radar at a few different agencies.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> "Privacy freak extraordinaire".
>>
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>>> J  :]
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>>>> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>>> Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>>> To: "Walter Smith" <donn.nergal at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam]  Guns or thoughts
>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:57:29 -0700
>>>>
>>>> If there han been a background check on him when he purchased the 
>>>> guns,  his mental problems may have been discovered.
>>>> This is not to say guns should be banned. If some of the people 
>>>> there had been armed. there would probably have been fewer people 
>>>> killed. If guns are illegal, then only the bad people have guns 
>>>> and  the good guys are defenseless. Even with strong gun controls, 
>>>> if someone wants a gun bad enough they will get one.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: "Walter Smith" donn.nergal at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:32:15 -0700
>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Guns or thoughts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>
>>>>> While I agree that guns alone are not the problem; the phrase "mental
>>>> health
>>>>
>>>>> controls" is, in and of itself, quite disturbing. I truly hope 
>>>>> that is
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>> what you meant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dumbfounded,
>>>>> Anon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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