[Vision2020] Double Standard
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Fri Apr 13 18:32:08 PDT 2007
J Ford, et al,
There is no doubt in my mind that when someone rides around looking for someone to beat up, and then actually beats someone up, a very serious crime has been committed.
Was it a racially motivated hate crime in this case? I am unable to tell given the information so far provided.
If someone of any race is driving around in Moscow, Idaho looking for someone to beat up, the probability that the prey is going to be white is very, very high. There are few other options absent an extensive and prolonged search.
I have appended the story as it first appeared in the Argonaut.
I haven't seen any other newspaper story, if there is one perhaps someone will post it.
What is absent in the news article is any information that indicates that the assaults were racially motivated like the mention of racial/hate driven epithets, etc. Hence, based on what is contained in the news article and the overwhelmingly whiteness of the Moscow population, I cannot assign any probability to the claim that it was a racially/hate motivated assault.
I would agree that if after an investigation evidence is discovered that provides probable cause that a hate crime has occurred, then regardless of the races of the persons involved, hate crime charges should be filed and tried.
>From the meager information given in the news article, it appears, though without any certainty, that the charges were misdemeanors. Given the seriousness of the injuries (unconsciousness), I wonder why felony charges were not initially filed.
If any one has accurate information, please post it.
W.
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UI athlete charged with battery
Written by Cynthia Reynaud -Argonaut
Tuesday, 03 April 2007
University of Idaho football player Jevon A. Butler was charged with battery Monday after an incident that took place early Sunday morning.
Butler, a sophomore strong safety for the Vandals, Adam L. Adams and Derrick Stone were arrested on charges of battery for allegedly punching UI freshman William J. Petersen and Matthew D. Scott numerous times in the face. Neither Adams, Stone nor Scott are UI students.
All pleaded not guilty to the misdemeanor charges at a Monday court appearance. Bail was set at $300 for each, and has been posted.
According to the police report, Moscow police responded to the call on East E Street and North Washington Street at 2:30 a.m. Sunday, where police found Scott and Petersen. Scott's face was covered with blood.
Petersen told police he and Scott had been walking down the street when a car stopped near them. Four or five black males then allegedly ran toward them and repeatedly punched Scott and Petersen in the face. Both Scott and Petersen were knocked down and Scott was unconscious for minutes, Petersen said.
Scott was transported by ambulance to Gritman Medical Center.
At 2:52 a.m., police received a report of four or five black males exchanging shirts on the 800 block of North Garfield and yelling about beating someone up. Two males who matched descriptions Petersen had given police earlier were seen entering homes on the block.
According to the report, Butler and Stone both exited one of the dwellings. Butler was wearing a grey shirt with what appeared to police to be blood stains and had a fresh cut that was oozing blood on the edge of his right hand.
Stone told police he had been at the residence all night. Adams said he had been in the vicinity all night. During the questioning, police asked if the men had been at CJ's, which both denied. Butler, Stone and Adams all denied being involved in the battery.
Petersen was then brought to identify the suspects, according to the report. He identified Stone, Adams and Butler, adding he recognized Butler from a university class.
All three were arrested.
Butler's pretrial conference is set at 11:15 a.m. on April 10.
Adams' pretrial conference is set for 11:45 a.m. today. His jury pretrial conference will be 4 p.m.
April 9 and a jury trial is set for 8:30 a.m. April 26.
Stone's pretrial conference is set for 4:45 p.m. today. A jury pretrial conference will be 4 p.m. April 9 and jury trial will be at 8:30 a.m. April 20.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Double Standard
>I just don't get it! I really don't.
>
> What Butler and his gang did was to commit a hate crime. They deliberately
> went after TWO white young men, jumped them, beat them to the point of
> putting one in the hospital, called them "racially charged names" and then
> left them to bleed all over the sidewalk. This after accosting them at a
> local bar.
>
> Had even one of these things been a white guy doing to a
> black/negro/"African American" guy, all Hell would have broken loose and the
> perp would be hung out to dry! Yes, even before his pre-trial conference
> and/or trial. Don't even tell me that wouldn't be the case. Just look at
> what has happened to Imus!!! Or to the students at Duke University! They
> were suspended from sports and school and are JUST NOW GETTING THEIR LIVES
> TOGETHER after it has been proven the girl LIED about what happened that
> night.
>
> This is just crap! Butler and his bunch need to be shown that just because
> they are black/negro/"African American" does not mean they can not and/or
> should not be held to the "Hate Crimes Standards" that whites are.
>
> If the lawyer of the two that were beaten was smart, he'd make sure the Feds
> got a hold of this case, the family would/should be encouraged to look into
> a civil case against the bunch that did this and the double standard
> would/should be called into question - strongly. As it is, the three
> charged have only been hit WITH A MISDEMEANOR!
>
> Imus made an unfortunate and stupid comment and HE HAS NO JOB! Jim Johnson
> was PERCEIVED to have slighted a handicapped individual and now HE HAS NO
> BUSINESS and his family/business were harassed and picketed!
>
> Explain to me how this is fair or right?!
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Double Standard
>>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:41:15 -0700
>>
>>Don Coombs wrote:
>> > If African Americans came up with a despicable slang
>> > term for Whites and called one of them that, then THAT
>> > would be parallel to Whites calling an African American
>> > something offensive. ("Honky" doesn't seem all that
>> > bad. I guess it's difficult to come up with despicable
>> > terms for people in the majority.)
>> >
>>
>>Indeed, I was having a hard time coming up with such a term. Even what
>>I could remember of the movie Undercover Brother was failing me. Lots
>>of terms for "The Man" aka "Whitey" aka "Honky McGee", but nothing for
>>white people in general. Even Wikipedia is failing me. All I can find
>>(with an admittedly cursory search) is "Whitey", "Cracker", and some
>>terms used by non-African Americans such as "gaijin", "haole", or
>>"gringo", and some terms from a century or two back such as "peckerwood".
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
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>
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J Ford, et al,
There is no doubt in my mind that when someone rides around looking for someone to beat up, and then actually beats someone up, a very serious crime has been committed.
Was it a racially motivated hate crime? I am unable to tell at this time.
If someone of any race is driving around in Moscow, Idaho looking for someone to beat up, the probability that the someone is going to be white is very, very high. There are few other oprions absent an extensive and prolonged search.
I have appended the story as it first appeared in the Argonaut.
I haven't seen any other newspaper story, if there is one perhaps someone will post it.
What is absent is any information that indicates that the assaults were racially motivated like the mention of racial epithets, etc.
_________________________
UI athlete charged with battery
Written by Cynthia Reynaud -Argonaut
Tuesday, 03 April 2007
University of Idaho football player Jevon A. Butler was charged with battery Monday after an incident that took place early Sunday morning.
Butler, a sophomore strong safety for the Vandals, Adam L. Adams and Derrick Stone were arrested on charges of battery for allegedly punching UI freshman William J. Petersen and Matthew D. Scott numerous times in the face. Neither Adams, Stone nor Scott are UI students.
All pleaded not guilty to the misdemeanor charges at a Monday court appearance. Bail was set at $300 for each, and has been posted.
According to the police report, Moscow police responded to the call on East E Street and North Washington Street at 2:30 a.m. Sunday, where police found Scott and Petersen. Scott's face was covered with blood.
Petersen told police he and Scott had been walking down the street when a car stopped near them. Four or five black males then allegedly ran toward them and repeatedly punched Scott and Petersen in the face. Both Scott and Petersen were knocked down and Scott was unconscious for minutes, Petersen said.
Scott was transported by ambulance to Gritman Medical Center.
At 2:52 a.m., police received a report of four or five black males exchanging shirts on the 800 block of North Garfield and yelling about beating someone up. Two males who matched descriptions Petersen had given police earlier were seen entering homes on the block.
According to the report, Butler and Stone both exited one of the dwellings. Butler was wearing a grey shirt with what appeared to police to be blood stains and had a fresh cut that was oozing blood on the edge of his right hand.
Stone told police he had been at the residence all night. Adams said he had been in the vicinity all night. During the questioning, police asked if the men had been at CJ's, which both denied. Butler, Stone and Adams all denied being involved in the battery.
Petersen was then brought to identify the suspects, according to the report. He identified Stone, Adams and Butler, adding he recognized Butler from a university class.
All three were arrested.
Butler's pretrial conference is set at 11:15 a.m. on April 10.
Adams' pretrial conference is set for 11:45 a.m. today. His jury pretrial conference will be 4 p.m.
April 9 and a jury trial is set for 8:30 a.m. April 26.
Stone's pretrial conference is set for 4:45 p.m. today. A jury pretrial conference will be 4 p.m. April 9 and jury trial will be at 8:30 a.m. April 20.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Double Standard
>I just don't get it! I really don't.
>
> What Butler and his gang did was to commit a hate crime. They deliberately
> went after TWO white young men, jumped them, beat them to the point of
> putting one in the hospital, called them "racially charged names" and then
> left them to bleed all over the sidewalk. This after accosting them at a
> local bar.
>
> Had even one of these things been a white guy doing to a
> black/negro/"African American" guy, all Hell would have broken loose and the
> perp would be hung out to dry! Yes, even before his pre-trial conference
> and/or trial. Don't even tell me that wouldn't be the case. Just look at
> what has happened to Imus!!! Or to the students at Duke University! They
> were suspended from sports and school and are JUST NOW GETTING THEIR LIVES
> TOGETHER after it has been proven the girl LIED about what happened that
> night.
>
> This is just crap! Butler and his bunch need to be shown that just because
> they are black/negro/"African American" does not mean they can not and/or
> should not be held to the "Hate Crimes Standards" that whites are.
>
> If the lawyer of the two that were beaten was smart, he'd make sure the Feds
> got a hold of this case, the family would/should be encouraged to look into
> a civil case against the bunch that did this and the double standard
> would/should be called into question - strongly. As it is, the three
> charged have only been hit WITH A MISDEMEANOR!
>
> Imus made an unfortunate and stupid comment and HE HAS NO JOB! Jim Johnson
> was PERCEIVED to have slighted a handicapped individual and now HE HAS NO
> BUSINESS and his family/business were harassed and picketed!
>
> Explain to me how this is fair or right?!
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Double Standard
>>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:41:15 -0700
>>
>>Don Coombs wrote:
>> > If African Americans came up with a despicable slang
>> > term for Whites and called one of them that, then THAT
>> > would be parallel to Whites calling an African American
>> > something offensive. ("Honky" doesn't seem all that
>> > bad. I guess it's difficult to come up with despicable
>> > terms for people in the majority.)
>> >
>>
>>Indeed, I was having a hard time coming up with such a term. Even what
>>I could remember of the movie Undercover Brother was failing me. Lots
>>of terms for "The Man" aka "Whitey" aka "Honky McGee", but nothing for
>>white people in general. Even Wikipedia is failing me. All I can find
>>(with an admittedly cursory search) is "Whitey", "Cracker", and some
>>terms used by non-African Americans such as "gaijin", "haole", or
>>"gringo", and some terms from a century or two back such as "peckerwood".
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>=======================================================
>> List services made available by First Step Internet,
>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>> http://www.fsr.net
>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
>>=======================================================
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today.
> http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline
>
>
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> =======================================================
> List services made available by First Step Internet,
> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> http://www.fsr.net
> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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