[Vision2020] Why Poo Stinks

Sun Sep 24 10:01:11 PDT 2006

Michael,

Re:  Harangue from "The Princess"

>From an earlier post exposing Doug Jones's behavior:

"However a word of warning to those in the fraudulent kirk who are attempting to leave.  Expect to be visited, harangued, and finally vilified by those false kirk members who have yet to see the light.  Especially:  if those loving Jesus enough to try other churches or to relate directly with God are rich enough or of enough influence, they may be interrogated and harangued by the odious Doug Jones, church disciplinarian, smokescreen generator, and snoop.  If they are very, very rich or influential, Pastor Douglas Wilson will give them his devious, sacrilegious but persuasive attention."  

The post (pasted below) containing the cite above commented on the same phenomenon as your enlightening post:  How an apparent, self-enriching con artist masquerading a Man of Christ continues to act and get away with acting in a manner egregiously inconsistent with the first book of the New Testament.

As a non-believer, I see a certain amount of ironic humor in this situation.  However, my deeper feelings are ones of great sadness for those who are duped and who pay with resources which could be better spent caring for their families and especially caring for those less fortunate, the latter a very clear directive from the Christ they claim to love and to follow.

What is most ironic is that if the Christ is the Son of God, and if Christ said the words contained in Matthew, then those following the vainglorious, wealth, power, and influence craving Cultmaster Douglas Wilson instead of Christ are damned, not saved.

One certainly wonders about the reading comprehension and/or thinking abilities of those educated at Logos, NSA, Grimfriars, etc.  Either they haven't carefully read Matthew and contemplated its lucid directives, or they are singularly lacking in reading and reasoning skills.

Though you and I have fundamentally different worldviews on ontological and metaphysical matters, let me again convey my very great admiration for your insight in recognizing the snake pit you were imprisoned in and your courage in exposing and continuing to expose its deeply poisonous, perverting effects.  Your experiences give truth to the post by Cameron Brown Cargill, who by posting under some of the names of the cell-blocks of the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine emphasizes what a phony scam is being perpetrated on many trusting but naive persons in the name of the God they profess to believe in.

Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  83843

(208) 882-7975
waf at moscow.com

PS:  I think the words above:

"Your eternal salvation is God's decision alone; no unscrupulous pretender will have anything to say about it.  For one's eternal salvation then, relate directly to and act with God; do not lay with swine."

were first uttered by a famous very early Christian, one whose works Cultmaster Wilson should be intimately familiar with.  They are sometimes translated as:

Your eternal salvation is God's decision alone; no false prophet or any other man will have anything to say about it.  To enjoy the feast of eternal reward then, be directly with God; do not dine on slop from swine.

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Good Christians and others who agree with the urgings of Christ to care for the poor and sick:

Latimer Tyndale correctly points out the way we can spot counterfeit Christians in our midst.  He urges  in a post (reprinted below):

In light of the words of Christ found in the four Holy Gospels, who is the real Christian and who is the counterfeit? 

You are gambling on whose views to follow to earn eternal salvation.  Whose views do you think are most likely to lead you there?  Whose views are most likely to lead you to eternal damnation? 

If you are unable to answer these questions promptly and with assurance, perhaps for your own and your family's eternal grace you need to read carefully the four Holy Gospels by yourself without some self-important, self-loving, self-serving, rapacious pretender to the credentials of an ordained pastor telling what he devises them to mean for his own purposes .  After you have read unguided the Holy Gospels in God's very straightforward words for yourself, the answers to the above questions will be crystal clear. 

You might also bear in mind God's stern admonition about following false prophets.

I agree with Latimer that reading the four Holy Gospels is the correct way to understand Jesus, to understand what he wants us to do, and to understand how we are to show our love for him by our actions.  However, some extra advice needs to be added to Latimer's. 

For those unfortunates foundering in the fraudulent Scots-Wannabe-kirk, the so-called Christ Church of Moscow, Idaho, which is organized, controlled, does attendance checks, and spies on its congregation more like a gulag than an alleged Christ-Centered Church, following advice such as Latimer's will be very, very difficult.  

It will take great courage and will demand that one's fully committed love of Jesus and thankfulness for God's Great Bounty is stronger and more important than the near term sacrifices the apostates may fear and the certain cruel reprisals from the egocentric Pastor Douglas Wilson they may dread to experience.  The members of this false kirk have been unscrupulously misled, brainwashed, and bled by a very skillful manipulator for many years.  Some of them, especially amongst the Elders, depend on employment in this phony kirk for their economic well-being, and thus depend on keeping in the good graces of Pastor Douglas Wilson at almost any spiritual cost or peril to their eternal salvation. 

Of course those of us who have seen the light can readily see that the rich and flamboyant lifestyle that Pastor Douglas Wilson lives and the kingly feasts with its fine wines and lavish, upscale foods that the Pastor Wilson provides his family and  brags about in his Blog are clearly contrary to the teachings of Jesus and surely will result in eternal damnation.  

Matthew 19: 16 - 24, King James Version:

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?  17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.  18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,  19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself . 

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?  21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven : and come and follow me.  22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.  24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God . 

The Real Christian cannot also help but notice also how the Pastor Douglas Wilson's attentions are directed more at the wealthier members of his flock and how his recruiting and proselytizing efforts are focused disproportionately upon the affluent. 

Those in the false kirk (and outside of it) who are familiar with Pastor Douglas Wilson's activities might also decide if he meets the requirements of Jesus given in Matthew 19: 16 - 19: 

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?  17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.  18 He saith unto him, Which?  Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,  19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 

Should any further proof of the Christ Church Faux Pastor Douglas Wilson's Perfidy be needed,  Latimer Tyndale has also pointed out: 

Fact: The post from the Princess contained the quote:

"It should be added, as Doug Wilson has made clear repeatedly, the death penalty is not automatically required for adultery, homosexual acts, and other forms of " porneia." When guilt is established, such crimes are to be dealt with severely, but the meting out of the death penalty is just one option available to the judge." 

See:  http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-August/033961.html ,  fourth paragraph of response. 

Fact:  His Phoniness, Douglas Wilson, wrote a letter to the court recommending of sexual predator and NSA student James Sitler's sentence:  "I would urge that the civil penalties applied would be measured and limited." 

See www.tomandrodna/CR_2005_02027/CC_Ltr_081905.pdf, last paragraph.

It would be hard to find a clearer example of one who claims to be a man of God and Christ saying one thing and then hypocritically doing another.  Such a revelation is convincing evidence that Pastor Douglas Wilson is not a man of Christ but a self-centered, arrogant, manipulative, unscrupulous confidence operator whose concern is not God's pleasure nor God's children's souls and salvation, but his own and his family's reputation, wealth, comfort, and ease.  Also, it is clearly not loving one's neighbors to expose their children to a serial sexual predator and child molester. 

Here's the real point of this posting: 

Those foundering in the false kirk but seeking to find the truth and to be wed to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for eternity may need a little help in addition to just reading the Holy Gospels in order to find the real path to Jesus after being spiritually debauched for so long by one who resembles the Anti-Christ. 

Besides reading for themselves unguided the perfectly clear prescriptions of God found in the Four Holy Gospels, these to-be-pitied-not-scorned suffering souls from the false kirk might find other area churches to attend for a few months to assist them in their quest.  There are many sincere, non-manipulative men and women of Christ who would gladly and warmly with the proper kind of love and focus of that love offer succor and refuge to the sincere but abused and perhaps gun-shy pilgrim.  

However a word of warning to those in the fraudulent kirk who are attempting to leave.  Expect to be visited, harangued, and finally vilified by those false kirk members who have yet to see the light.  Especially:  if those loving Jesus enough to try other churches or to relate directly with God are rich enough or of enough influence, they may be interrogated and harangued by the odious Doug Jones, church disciplinarian, smokescreen generator, and snoop.  If they are very, very rich or influential, Pastor Douglas Wilson will give them his devious, sacrilegious but persuasive attention.  

It is very important for everyone and especially for the foundering souls in the false kirk to know that a Christian's relationship and covenant is directly with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not with any false prophet and his disciples, regardless of how cleverly and greedily a false prophet urges allegiance to himself in God's name.   Despite any wildly egotistical claims, no Pastor can prevent you from going to heaven.  Despite any wildly egotistical claims, no Pastor can deliver you to heaven; only you can make that delivery possible through your actions here on earth.  Your eternal salvation is God's decision alone; no unscrupulous pretender will have anything to say about it.  For one's eternal salvation then, relate directly to and act with God; do not lay with swine.   

The sincere new apostate from the false kirk will use their new found spiritual strength and true love of Jesus along with that of their fellow apostates to build a mighty bonfire with any and all Canon Press God and Jesus libeling books and tracts they may have in innocence acquired so as to obliterate from their soiled nostrils the wretched, filthy miasma emanating blasphemously from these yellowbacks falsely in the names of God and Jesus. 

It will take great courage, strength, and especially a great and true love of Jesus by those unfortunates deceived and misled by the false kirk to exit this Christless, concocted kirk.  For those whose love of Jesus is strong and pure, notice that it is not even necessary to worship or to attend a church, but only to act as commanded by Christ in Matthew 25: 31 - 46 to receive God's eternal grace, approval,  salvation, and reward: 

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:  32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left .  34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:   35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:  36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.  37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?  38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?  39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?  40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.  41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  42 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:  43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.  44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.  46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. 

THEREFORE, Let all True Christians join together, bow their heads, and offer this heartfelt prayer to our ALMIGHTY GOD: 

THAT the captive, unfortunate victims of the false kirk will have the strength, courage, and truly love Jesus enough to leave that false house of God and all its  schools and ministries, and to totally avoid all other materially or spiritually leeching tentacles of it;  to openly and with gleeful agape  shed that  damning false pride that comes from being convinced wrongly by their sacrilegious, devious manipulator that they are "saints" and thus cloven from God's Children other children, and to resist all imprecations, temptations, extortion attempts, manipulations, threats, fraudulent and demonically manipulative God-will-be-angry-at-you fear tactics,  diabolical, sacrilegious, egotistical "You are letting God down" arguments, transparently self-serving, claims of calamitous persecution, devious tricks, pretended illnesses or other catastrophes, crocodile tears, and all other inducements to return to the false kirk or any part of it in any way, shape, or form, forever. 

THAT the misguided Elders of the false kirk renounce their sinful, prideful egos, realize that they cannot hide from God, realize the errors of their ways, awaken from their cleverly induced spiritual slumbers, put God's Word and Commandments before their their own selfish economic interests, demonstrate the strength and courage demanded by the true love of Jesus, and therefore depose  Pastor Douglas Wilson and disband the false kirk forever, thereby ending its mocking and belying of Christ and ending the putting of its members' eternal salvation in absolute peril, and may these same Elders also aid its injured flock to discover and to cherish the true succor of God within their own hearts by encouraging them to read the Holy Gospels, unassisted by any self-serving, pride driven, vain obsessive control seeking, I-am-smarter-and-know-better-than-God bastardized interpretation, and to live their lives thereby accordingly. 

THAT Pastor Douglas Wilson admit all the errors of his ways, publicly confess his sins, agree with the Elders to unequivocally lay asunder forever the false kirk. 

THAT Pastor Douglas Wilson will finally and truly come to understand the meaning of the clearest of God's  words found in Matthew 5: 38 - 48 * , and will piously conduct the rest of his entire life thereby accordingly. 

THAT Pastor Douglas Wilson will finally and truly come to find and to love God and Jesus, avow that love, and that he will convincingly prove that newly avowed love of of God and Jesus is far greater than his present enormous, consuming self-love by selling all his worldly possessions, giving the proceeds therefrom to the poor as Jesus has commanded as the price for eternal reward, and that Pastor Douglas Wilson will begin to live a humble, selfless, itinerant life patterned after the life of Jesus to atone for the intentional, grievous wrongs he may have thus far inflicted without conscience falsely in the names of God and Jesus on many, many others. 

THAT FINALLY, if GOD IN INFINITE WISDOM, MERCY, AND LOVE sees fit to hear and to grant these humble prayers, that God grant full redemption to those above for whom these prayers are offered and who repent of their errors, and that GOD IN INFINITE WISDOM, MERCY, AND LOVE allows their lives shorn of the sinful pride that divides them from God's other children to begin and to continue to shine with the True Christian Love that propelled God to sacrifice tortuously on The Cross his begotten Son, Jesus Christ, so that we, his other daughters and sons may have thankfully an opportunity to earn eternal, heavenly bliss. 

Amen.

Cameron Brown Cargill

* Matthew 5: 38 - 48:  38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:  39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.  40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.  41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.  42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.  44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;   45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.  46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?  47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?  48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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Concerned Christians, especially those with reading comprehension ability above the fourth grade: 

Below are reprints of two recent opinion columns from newspapers.  

The first column is one pressing upon you the views of the local Christ Church, pretenders to being a Scottish village kirk.  It is written by Ed Iverson, Librarian at the the Christ Church reproduction mill, New Saint Andrews (another phony reference) and also the Church's press representative who has be given rein to present the church's views bi-weekly at the Daily News.

The second column is from a much more humble writer, Oliver "Buzz" Thomas.  This article appeared yesterday (Monday, September 18, 2006) in USAToday.

Here are some questions a thoughtful Christian might want to answer while reading these articles.

In light of the words of Christ found in the four Holy Gospels, who is the real Christian and who is the counterfeit? 

You are gambling on whose views to follow to earn eternal salvation.  Whose views do you think are most likely to lead you there?  Whose views are most likely to lead you to eternal damnation? 

If you are unable to answer these questions promptly and with assurance, perhaps for your own and your family's eternal grace you need to read carefully the four Holy Gospels by yourself without some self-important, self-loving, self-serving, rapacious pretender to the credentials of an ordained pastor telling what he devises them to mean for his own purposes.  After you have read unguided the Holy Gospels in God's very straightforward words for yourself, the answers to the above questions will be crystal clear. 

You might also bear in mind God's stern admonition about following false prophets.

Latimer Tyndale

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HIS VIEW: It's folly to listen to pleas for Mideast cease-fire 

By Ed Iverson 
Daily News, Saturday, August, 12th, 2006 - Page Updated at 12:00:00 AM 

In the latest manifestation of the ancient rivalry between Jacob and Esau the smart money is on Israel. This is my reading of the global outpouring of sympathy and support for Hezbollah. Here is the truth: there would be no outpouring of sympathy if the Israelis were getting the stuffing beat out of them. There would be no anguished pleas for a cease-fire coming out of the United Nations if Israel was taking a beating. What we do have is Western Europe and the United Nations issuing distressed demands to stop the violence. This is a good indication that Hezbollah is getting spanked. 
Many observers of the conflict believe that Hezbollah is a cat's paw for Iran. If that is true (and I have no reason to believe it is not), Iran is playing an old game. Iran is probing for weakness while maintaining deniability. Committed to the destruction of Israel, they provoke a shooting war using Hezbollah as a proxy. They do this knowing full well that when things begin to go badly, they can call on world opinion to demand a cease-fire. 

The Washington Times and Fox News are now reporting Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah is holed up in a bunker and cut off from communication with others of his terrorist gang. Word is starting to leak out the Lebanese people are beginning to see Hezbollah in a negative light. Reuters was recently caught with its pants down, doctoring images from the front in an effort to further the media campaign against Israel. Add it all up and it should therefore come as no surprise that calls for a cease-fire have intensified. 

Certainly, Israel should immediately agree to a cease-fire. That would give Iran time to resupply its puppet, Hezbollah. The Sheik could then come out of hiding and, reconnecting with his junkyard dogs, plan the next cowardly raid on civilian populations. Hamas can begin to plan a new round of attacks upon school buses and pizza joints. Perhaps most importantly, those determined to see Israel "driven into the sea" will have gained some valuable insight about Israel's resolve. 

The Oslo and the Camp David accords are but two instances in which a brokered cease-fire soon deteriorated into renewed aggression. A cease-fire is just the ticket for renewed conflict in the future. It is an absolute guarantee that the struggle will go on. 

Perhaps Israel should snap up the offer in an effort to ensure job security for its armed forces? From everything I read in the liberal press, the big fathead generals in the loathsome military are forever looking for an opportunity to keep their men in fighting trim. No self-respecting general wants his troops to get soft. Yes indeed, Israel should accept a cease-fire with Hezbollah in anticipation of renewed war in the not-too-distant future. 

Like, not. Until Leviathan is destroyed or utterly disarmed, it is folly to listen to his plea for a cease-fire. There comes a point in the fight when every bully-boy begins to whine about the unfairness of it all. "Let me go, and I'll be nice," he whimpers. "I won't let you go," says Saint George to the dragon, "I have heard your lies before." "But this time it is different," says the dragon. "This time I will behave. And you are hurting me ever-so-much. Let us call a truce and I'll be nice." Right. 

Calls for cease-fire, appeals for a truce, and demands for "neutrality" are effective weapons especially favored by thugs and bullies and others that specialize in terror. They are hardly ever what they seem. Frantic calls for a cease-fire are nearly always demands for a "timeout" while those who are temporarily out of power reposition and plan the next offensive. 

Ed Iverson is the head librarian at New Saint Andrews College in Moscow. He earned a master's of library science at the University of Southern Mississippi and studied theology at Regent College in Vancouver, British Columbia. In 1990, he ran for the Idaho Senate as a Republican from Mullan. He lives with his wife at Viola. They have two children and six grandchildren. 

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A Christian view of war
What would Jesus do in Iraq? He'd offer compassion, he'd feed the hungry, he'd even pray for the enemies. What he'd really do is give American Christians — Republicans and Democrats alike — something to think about.
By Oliver "Buzz" Thomas  USAToday, 09/18/07

"Pray for our troops." 

Millions of signs and bumper stickers carry the message, and part of me likes it. But part of me keeps waiting for another bumper sticker — the one I still haven't seen. Whether Jesus would drive an SUV, I'm still not sure. Truth is he'd probably ride the bus. Or the subway. But if he had money for a car and didn't give it all away to the hookers and the homeless before he got to the used-car lot, I'm pretty sure that his bumper sticker would say "pray for our enemies." 

(Illustration by Adrienne Lewis, USA TODAY)

Before you write me off as a left-wing crackpot, consider what we know. During his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said three things relevant to the subject of war:

  a.. Blessed are the peacemakers. 
  b.. Turn the other cheek. 
  c.. Pray for your enemies. 
Here's something else we know. Three-quarters of the U.S. population consider themselves Christian. That translates into about 224 million Americans. 

So why are so few of us taking the teachings of Jesus seriously when it comes to this latest war? Out here in the heartland, only a handful of churches are even talking about it.

Christian obligations 

The most plausible explanation is that we're scared. Some things, it seems, may trump religion. Fear is one of them. If Christians are afraid (and who could blame them after 9/11?), it's not surprising that they're listening to other voices besides Jesus' when it comes to the war in Iraq. So what should the three-fourths of Americans who identify themselves as "Christian" make of the Iraq war? 

We could spend a lot of time debating whether St. Augustine's "Just War Theory" can be stretched to accommodate our invasion of Iraq, but at this late date it really doesn't matter. We invaded. And, if the Just War Theory means anything, it means that we shouldn't leave Iraq in a bigger mess than we found it. Americans of faith, it would seem, are obligated to do at least the following: 

  a.. Express concern for all suffering, including that of our enemies. That means more than paying lip service. As James, the brother of Jesus, said, it does not suffice to tell a hungry man "God bless you!" or "We will pray for you!" We must address his hunger. The same can be said for the additional food, health care, police and countless other things the Iraqi people need. And, though an immediate withdrawal would be precipitous, we must work diligently to respond to the Iraqis' desire that our troops leave as quickly as possible. 
  b.. Recommit ourselves to the fundamental principles of justice and human rights that have been a hallmark of our faith, as well as of our nation. That means no more secret prisons, no more secret trials and no more torture. America cannot resort to the worst practices of the Gulag (where citizens were declared "enemies of the state" and whisked away to Siberian work camps without the benefit of a fair trial or the assistance of counsel) and expect to be an accepted member of the world community, much less a leader of it. 
  c.. Repudiate the statements of any religious or political leader who suggests that America has a special claim on God. He may have a special claim on us, but we do not have a special claim on him. Our beloved nation is a civil state, not a religious one. There are no references to God in our Constitution. The only reference to religion — other than in the First Amendment — is found in Article VI, which proclaims that there will be no religious test for public office in the USA. The Founding Fathers gave us a secular state in which all religions are free to flourish or flounder on their own initiative without interference by the government. Those running around claiming we are "in the army of God" or slapping up copies of the Ten Commandments on government buildings threaten to turn us into the very sort of society we are fighting against in this new war. 
  d.. Force our elected officials to address the conditions that have given rise to global terrorism in the first place. Terrorism exists for a reason. One of those reasons is that our society has been far too unconcerned about the plight of Muslim people around the world. Why, for example, have we not instituted a mini-Marshall Plan for the millions of Palestinians who have often gone without adequate land, roads, hospitals and schools since the 1967 war with Israel? Corruption among Palestinian leaders has squandered billions in the past, but responsible partners on the ground can and must be found. Private foundations with a long history of engagement might be a good place to start. 
Tackling terrorism's roots 

We need not and should not repudiate our long-standing alliance with Israel to accomplish this. It's simply that our religious traditions teach us that to whom much is given, much is required. The irony, of course, is that it's in our best interest to relieve Palestinian suffering. True, some terrorist leaders come from affluent families and cite Western worldliness and decadence as their motivation for jihad, but the economic factor cannot be ignored. There is no better recruiting ground for the troops of terror than the maddening monotony and grinding poverty of a refugee camp. 

In ancient times, particular gods were associated with particular nations. "Tribal deities," we call them. Today we know better. God is not the mascot of Republicans, Democrats or, for that matter, Americans. God transcends all national and political affiliations. His precinct is the universe. 

America is in the deep woods. Never have we been less popular in the eyes of the world. Never have we faced so unsettling an enemy. But before we circle the wagons, Christians should get serious about following the teachings of the one by whose name we are called. He might just know the way out. 

Oliver "Buzz" Thomas is a minister in Tennessee and author of an upcoming book, 10 Things Your Minister Wants to Tell You (But Can't Because He Needs the Job). 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael 
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Why Poo Stinks

The Princess Writes:

Apparently Poo Stinks because it comes out of an @§§|-|0£€, viz :

"But I certainly did come to the firm conclusion that Tim Dick was the kind of person to do this after Frank Vance provoked him to do just this!"

Great, having provoked somebody to sin you thereby establish what a vile sinner that person is. THAT'S a great piece of work now isn't it!

Frankly, and Mikely, I am embarrassed for the human race to have to read that sort of thing. But maybe invincible Pooh is right and I'm wrong . . . can somebody help me locate in the Bible where it says, "Love means never having to say you're sorry"?

-- Princess Sushitushi

Dear Princess,

It seems odd to have to respond to the anonymous he/she/they kirk postings after our pastor Douglas Wilson has referred to precisely this kind of anonymity to deride public criticism against himself these many months. This blatant hypocrisy has been pointed out to you (you all) numerous times, but in good kirk-from you brazenly flaunt your thuggish right to do unto others what you will not permit them to do unto you.

I am glad that you at least made explicit that you are speaking of me and I am glad that you even go as far as to give some sort of reason for your insult.  This is a big step in the right direction.  As you know, apparently, I have just illuminated further the dark strategies of kirk apologists on my web site; it looks like you may have taken this to heart.  I have gotten word from outsiders to all this that my analysis about your dark tactics was very illuminating. Apparently, this has been somewhat illuminating for you; so I think we are going in the right direction (never give up I say!). Unfortunately, however, you (you all) have succeeded once again to rip a quote from me entirely out of context.  Given how out of context this really is here, it is hard believe this is not further intentional deceit.  Given that you are “embarrassed for the human race,” I take it that I am dealing with a fairly young man or woman who has the maturity level (when it comes to these kinds of things) of a fifth grader.  So I won’t seek to take this criticism too seriously.  However, since you actually attempted to even look like you are citing a piece of evidence in support of your insult, I certainly want to give you the argumentative chance to be heard and respond to my challenge to you.  

Here is how you have taken this out of context:  Tim Dick, CEO of non-profit Ligonier Ministries, a position nepotistically gained in virtue of his son-in-lawship to RC Sproul, makes $230,000 a year.  This is a new position for the fellow and he succeeded in ramping up the attorney fees to $64,000 just last year, apparently due to his new litigious angle to heading a non profit ministry.  The only reason Tim Dick and Frank Vance ever started dancing was because Vance was carefully and judicially pursuing the deceit and unjust subterfuge from our very own pastor Douglas Wilson for many months after Wilson tried to help out his defrocked buddy RC Sproul Jr – RC Sproul’s corrupt son.  Why was RC Sproul Jr defrocked?  Primarily due to criminal use of a tax ID number, deceit, and pastoral abuse.  Wilson waived the defrocking aside originally as a mere squabble over a point of theology and then later the CREC was involved “considering” RC Sproul Jr “ordained” after explaining that the reason for his defrocking was, come to think of it, just an issue of book of church order stuff which doesn’t apply in the CREC (!).  

This kind of deceitful and stupid behavior from Wilson and other CREC officials became notorious and Frank Vance labored at getting people the facts and the primary documents via the level playing field of the world wide web.  Because of this, Tim Dick, for obvious reasons, started pursuing Frank Vance and started hopping around on web sites and blogs calling the primary sources of information mere “slander” and started criticizing the efforts of Frank Vance.  Tim Dick started writing foolish emails to Frank Vance as well.  Because of this, X-Ligonier employees began contacting Frank Vance explaining that he had only hit the tip of the iceberg.  This led Frank Vance to Tim Dick’s son’s web site which revealed a sleazy, lazy, ignorant, pornographic, fornicating, party creep who thought his dad was really cool for taking over a multi mill business that he would take over himself once he was old enough.  Apparently, Tim Dick and his son spoke of “business” a good deal and Dick’s son therefore seems to represent the internal life of Tim Dick’s leadership of Ligonier fairly accurately.  

Witnesses also informed Frank Vance that Tim Dick was harassing people with law suit threats.  Tim Dick is such a prideful and foolish man from what I can tell, it was a real possibility that calling him a “nincompoop” would cause him to threaten France with a law suit.  If he did threaten Vance, then this would be one more allegation, already confirmed by witnesses, demonstrated true via journalistic interrogation.  But Tim Dick didn’t just threaten a law suit, he filed one and moved for the court to immediately force Frank Vance off the internet. Who in God’s Green Earth would have thought that Tim Dick would have done this!?  A mere threat would have not been picked up by big media; but a law suit like this sure would. Big media had to inform Frank Vance that there was a law suit. I’m afraid that the idea that Vance or myself are somehow implicated in the guilt behind this ludicrous action of Tim Dick is just plain silly.

There are many important things going on here; however, one of those things is NOT that Frank Vance is an “embarrassment to the human race” because he got a nationally controversial law suit filed against him from a non-profit ministry for calling its foolish, arrogant, and nepotistically placed CEO a “nincompoop”!  You can read all about it in the legal documents too; the law suit filed was for Vance calling Dick a “shark” (8. a.), disqualified (8. b.), a lying thieving con artist (8. c.), and a nincompoop (8. d.).  Further, Tim Dick is not the only evidence of “nepotistic buffoonery at Ligonier Ministries” (8. e.), has little appreciation for reformed theology (8. f.), participates in “juvenile behavior” and lives with RC Sproul in a mansion (8. g.) ….his nickname is “Dickhead,” and so on and so forth.  This is not my description of the “slander” against Tim Dick nor is it Frank Vance’s.  This is Tim Dick’s and his attorney’s choice of citation.  Notice that “nincompoop” was listed as item number four.  Since this ludricrous law suit was filed we have seen nothing but arrogance, stalling, and deceit from Ligonier Ministries and Tim Dick.  Obviously, Frank Vance did not “provoke someone to sin,” but rather finally dealt with the deep corruption and abuse that had been there all along.  

Further, the quote you cite was simply a premise in an argument explaining the nature of Frank Vance’s allegations and where the justification of those allegations are to be located; you say nothing to this and therefore are not even speaking to what I actually wrote.

Your thinking is twisted here, and I find it frightening that kirkers are continuously calling evil good and good evil even with respect to goings on outside of Moscow just because of what political relations of theirs is getting exposed.  

Thank you

Michael Metzler 

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Michael,

Re:  Harangue from "The Princess"

>From an earlier post exposing Doug Jones's behavior:

"However a word of warning to those in the fraudulent kirk who are attempting to leave.  Expect to be visited, harangued, and finally vilified by those false kirk members who have yet to see the light.  Especially:  if those loving Jesus enough to try other churches or to relate directly with God are rich enough or of enough influence, they may be interrogated and harangued by the odious Doug Jones, church disciplinarian, smokescreen generator, and snoop.  If they are very, very rich or influential, Pastor Douglas Wilson will give them his devious, sacrilegious but persuasive attention."  

The post (pasted below) containing the cite above commented on the same phenomenon as your enlightening post:  How an apparent, self-enriching con artist masquerading a Man of Christ continues to act and get away with acting in a manner egregiously inconsistent with the first book of the New Testament.

As a non-believer, I see a certain amount of ironic humor in this situation.  However, my deeper feelings are ones of great sadness for those who are duped and who pay with resources which could be better spent caring for their families and especially caring for those less fortunate, the latter a very clear directive from the Christ they claim to love and to follow.

What is most ironic is that if the Christ is the Son of God, and if Christ said the words contained in Matthew, then those following the vainglorious, wealth, power, and influence craving Cultmaster Douglas Wilson instead of Christ are damned, not saved.

One certainly wonders about the reading comprehension and/or thinking abilities of those educated at Logos, NSA, Grimfriars, etc.  Either they haven't carefully read Matthew and contemplated its lucid directives, or they are singularly lacking in reading and reasoning skills.

Though you and I have fundamentally different worldviews on ontological and metaphysical matters, let me again convey my very great admiration for your insight in recognizing the snake pit you were imprisoned in and your courage in exposing and continuing to expose its deeply poisonous, perverting effects.  Your experiences give truth to the post by Cameron Brown Cargill, who by posting under some of the names of the cell-blocks of the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine emphasizes what a phony scam is being perpetrated on many trusting but naive persons in the name of the God they profess to believe in.

Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  83843

(208) 882-7975
waf at moscow.com

PS:  I think the words:

"Your eternal salvation is God's decision alone; no unscrupulous pretender will have anything to say about it.  For one's eternal salvation then, relate directly to and act with God; do not lay with swine."

were first uttered by a famous very early Christian, one whose works Cultmaster Wilson should be intimately familiar with:  They are sometimes translated as:

Your eternal salvation is God's decision alone; no false prophet or any other man will have anything to say about it.  To enjoy the feast of eternal salvation then, be directly with God; do not dine on slop from swine.

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Good Christians and others who agree with the urgings of Christ to care for the poor and sick: