[Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...

[Tom Hansen]

ToeKnee stated:

"Joe, there is a non lethal alternative to abortion - adoption."

Alternative?

Hmmmm.  Is that anything like "choice"?

Or must we simply wait until Roe v. Wade is overturned and illegal abortions
are conducted in back alleys by untrained "physicians" with coat hangers?

You see . . . overturning Roe v. Wade will not eliminate all abortions, just
the ones conducted in sterile environments by thoroughly trained and
qualified doctors.

Tom Hansen
Vandalville, Idaho

"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
and the Realist adjusts his sails." 

- Unknown 

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Simpson
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:19 PM
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...

Joe, there is a non lethal alternative to abortion - adoption.  There is, 
unfortunately, no escaping collateral damage during time of war.  I 
therefore see no parallel between the two.

Best, -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <nickgier at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...


> So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of 
> innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?
>
> Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in 
> Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people --

> even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart bomb?
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position,
> rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all,
> everyone accepts it.  Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how 
> long
> it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.
>
> It used to be acceptable to marginalize and brutalize African Americans. 
> So
> too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years.  Society has been
> dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court.  (Dred Scott)  There 
> have
> always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well 
> as
> those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do.
> Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp.  Someday he will be
> recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.
>
> We can choose to swallow his convoluted and morally bankrupt conclusions, 
> or
> we can think for ourselves and listen to our collective conscience.  The
> choice is ours.  History will record those who stood for right and justice
> as well as those who enabled brutality.
>
>
> "There is a dangerous silence today.  A silence that allows evil to
> flourish."   -M.L.K.
>
> "Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of
> eaven."  -Jesus
>
> -T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
>
>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!
>>
>> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous
>> violinist
>> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous 
>> article
>> for
>> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."
>>
>> The power of Thomson's argument is that the violinist is a person, but 
>> our
>> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a 
>> person
>> only
>> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court
>> decision of
>> 1973.
>>
>> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at
>> www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm.
>>
>> Nick Gier
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