[Vision2020] Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
joekc at adelphia.net
Fri Sep 22 12:44:12 PDT 2006
So you were against the war in a Iraq, since it led to the death of innocent people? Or do you think that this situation is different?
Is your point, Tony, -- presuming that you are not against the war in Iraq -- that you think that it is sometimes OK to kill innocent people -- even a human fetus -- but only if you do it with a smart bomb?
---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
Those who advocate, but are uncomfortable with an inhuman position,
rationalize their acceptance of brutality by proclaiming that after all,
everyone accepts it. Murdering the innocent is wrong regardless of how long
it has been countenanced by society or justified by the Supreme Court.
It used to be acceptable to marginalize and brutalize African Americans. So
too the Jews, and any number of groups over the years. Society has been
dreadfully wrong before, as has the Supreme Court. (Dred Scott) There have
always been those who's ethical threshold was ahead of their time as well as
those for whom any excuse for propping up the status quo would do.
Unfortunately Teach Gier is from the latter camp. Someday he will be
recognized as similar to those who supported slavery and genocide.
We can choose to swallow his convoluted and morally bankrupt conclusions, or
we can think for ourselves and listen to our collective conscience. The
choice is ours. History will record those who stood for right and justice
as well as those who enabled brutality.
"There is a dangerous silence today. A silence that allows evil to
"Suffer the children to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] OT WAS: RE: Ellen Goodman, baby killer...
> Great minds are so in tune with each other, Bob!
> Using a very similar thought experiment (being hooked to a famous
> without your permission), Judith Jarvis Thomson wrote a now famous article
> "Philosophy and Public Affairs."
> The power of Thomson's argument is that the violinist is a person, but our
> moral, legal, and religious tradition has recognized the fetus as a person
> late in pregnancy, a position that corresponds to the Supreme Court
> decision of
> I humbly offer my own views on this topic at
> Nick Gier
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