[Vision2020] Innocent Man Sent to Syria and Tortured

Dick Sherwin rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Thu Sep 21 07:55:57 PDT 2006


I don't believe anyone is saying mistakes were not made.  It is just that
some of you make it sound like no one gives a damn and that it may have even
been intentional.

It appears to be a case of erring on the side of the safety of the American
public and who can fault that after 9/11?  Also, I am sure no one in
authority sent this man off to Syria to be tortured.  Where are those who
find fault  with Syria for torturing this "innocent man"?  It is as if you
all just expect anyone, sent off to Syria, to be tortured but say nothing of
that travesty.

Admittedly,  mistakes were made here in our country.  I do not, for a
minute, believe they were intentional or deliberate.  No one is having a
problem admitting that.  The problem lies in the way some are trying to make
it appear as though it wasn't a mistake at all, but deliberate.
Also, the way some here gloat over every mistake made by anyone connected to
authority in the U.S., while ignoring the deliberate malfiesence of those
from other countries.

The mistake was made, it needs to be rectified, at least to the degree
possible, and we need to get on with life.  We do not need to have it thrown
up in our face time after time.  Remember, the only people who never make a
mistake are those who do nothing or just sit on the sidelines and judge
those who are trying to accomplish the task at hand.  Unlike some here, who
believe they are in some elite catagory above the rest of us, everyone else
is not perfect.

Dick S
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Dick Sherwin"
<rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>; "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Innocent Man Sent to Syria and Tortured

> Get a grip guys. The man was innocent, sent to Syria, and subsequently
tortured. If you cannot admit that the US made several mistakes in this
instance, what would it take to do so?
> --
> Joe Campbell
> ---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> =============
> I think we have to think about this for a moment. Obviously, nobody is
justifying torture.
>   However, I don't think the United States just randomly picked on a guy.
This guy flew into NY City on Sept. 26, 2002. That was just after the
anniversary of  September 11, 2001. The guy fit the profile of the  those
that flew the airplanes, and they received a phone call from the  country he
just came from saying to stop him because he was a terrorist  and was
communicating with Bin Laudin and had a plane ticket to visit a  middle
eastern country linked to terrorists. He also  was not a  native born
Westerner but Middle Easterner.
>  The guy  happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time matching the
description of someone the authorities were looking for. He had a  really
bad stroke of luck.
>  If you happened to be  going for a midnight walk to get some fresh air
and a man matching your  description, height, weight, hair and eye color,
and wearing the same  thing as you, just raped a woman ten blocks away , and
a witness  fingered you as "That's the guy!" to a police officer, could you
blame  the officers for taking you in?
>   What happened after that was upsetting. But let us be realistic about
this and how the world works.
>   Best,
>   _DJA
> Dick Sherwin <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote:              As  I
understand this story, the U.S. depended on Canadian officials as to  the
status of this "Innocent Man" and he was deported to Syria based on
information from Canada.  Is this true, or am I wrong?
>   At  any rate, mistakes do happen and perhaps the U.S. officials should
have  checked out the validity of the claims by the Canadian Immigration
people more closely.  I am sure that Ted and Joe would have made  sure,
beyond the word of officials of this guy's own government, that  he should
not have been deported to Syria.
>   Point  being, we have all heard the story now boys.  You can stop trying
to make it appear the United States purposefully exiled an innocent man  to
a country where our government knew he would be beaten and  mistreated.  I
know it is difficult for you both to just let such  an opportunity drop but,
believe me, it is no longer current  news.  Get over it.
>   Dick S
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From:     Ted Moffett
>     To: Joe Campbell
>     Cc: Vision 2020
>     Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:25     AM
>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Innocent Man     Sent to Syria and Tortured
>     Joe et. al.
>     Of course not.
>     What  do you call those who seize an innocent man, kidnap him to a
foreign nation against his will beyond help, deny him access  to review of
his imprisonment by any court  or judge or any resemblance to the
fundamental legal  protections of habeas corpus, beat him, interrogate him,
and take a  year of his life away?
>     Defenders of freedom!
>     http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm
>         In  Brown v. Vasquez, 952 F.2d 1164, 1166 (9th Cir. 1991), cert.
denied,  112 S.Ct. 1778 (1992), the court observed that the Supreme Court
has  "recognized the fact that`[t]he writ of habeas corpus is the
fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against
arbitrary and lawless state action.' Harris v. Nelson, 394 U.S. 286,  290-91
(1969). " Therefore, the writ must be "administered with the  initiative and
flexibility essential to insure that miscarriages of  justice within its
reach are surfaced and corrected." Harris, 394 U.S.  at 291.
>     Ted Moffett
>     On 9/19/06, Joe     Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:     Careful,
Ted! You don't want anyone to think that you're supporting terrorists with
this post, do you?
> Best, Joe
> ---- Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>       wrote:
> =============
> Innocent       Man Sent to Syria and Tortured, Probe Finds
> Canadian Report Faults       Mounties, U.S. for Deportation
> TORONTO       (Sept. 19) - The United States "very likely" sent a Canadian
> software       engineer to Syria, where he was tortured, based on the
> accusation       by Canadian authorities that he was suspected of links to
> al-Qaida,       according to a new government report.
> Syrian-born Maher Arar was       exonerated of all suspicion of terrorist
> by the 2 1/2-year       commission of inquiry into his case, which urged
> Canadian government       to offer him financial compensation. Arar is
perhaps the
> world's       best-known case of extraordinary rendition -- the U.S.
transfer       of
> foreign terror suspects to third countries without court       approval.
> "I am able to say categorically that there is no evidence       to
indicate that
> Mr. Arar has committed any offense or that his       activities constitute
> threat to the security of Canada," Justice Dennis       O'Connor said
Monday in a
> three-volume report on the findings of the       inquiry, part of which
was made
> public.
> Arar was traveling on a       Canadian passport when he was detained at
New York's
> Kennedy Airport on       Sept. 26, 2002, on his way home from vacation in
> Arar said       U.S. authorities sent him to Syria for interrogation as a
> suspected       member of al-Qaida, a link he denied.
> He spent nearly a year in       prison in Syria and made detailed
> after his release in 2003       about extensive interrogation, beatings
> whippings with electrical       cables.
> O'Connor criticized the U.S. and recommended that Ottawa       file formal
> protests with both Washington and the Syrian government over       Arar's
> treatment.
> "The American authorities who handled Mr. Arar's       case treated Mr.
Arar in a
> most regrettable fashion," O'Connor wrote.       "They removed him to
> against his wishes and in the face of his       statements that he would
> tortured if sent there. Moreover, they dealt       with Canadian officials
> involved with Mr. Arar's case in a less than       forthcoming manner."
> The U.S. is already under intense criticism from       human rights groups
> the practice of sending suspects to countries       where they could be
> U.S. and Syrian officials refused to       cooperate with the Canadian
> The commission found the Royal       Canadian Mounted Police shared
> about Arar with American       anti-terrorist agencies both before and
after he
> was       detained.
> The RCMP asked the U.S. to put Arar on a watch list as an       "Islamic
> individual" suspected of links to the al-Qaida       terrorist movement,
> report said.
> The request was issued after       Arar met with another man who was under
> surveillance, a meeting Arar has       said was about how to find
> computer equipment.
> "The       RCMP had no basis for this description, which had the potential
> create       serious consequences for Mr. Arar in light of American
attitudes and
> practices," the report said.
> The RCMP described Arar as the       "target" of a domestic anti-terrorist
> investigation in Canada when in       fact he was a peripheral figure who
had come
> under suspicion only because       he had been seen in the company of the
man who
> was under surveillance,       the report found.
> O'Connor said that much of the material shared with       U.S. authorities
had not
> been double-checked to ensure its accuracy and       reliability -- a
violation of
> the RCMP's usual rules for divulging       information to foreign
> O'Connor concluded that the       inaccurate information passed by
Canadian police
> to U.S. authorities       "very likely" led to their decision to send Arar
> Syria.
> "It's       quite clear that the RCMP sent inaccurate information to U.S.
> officials,"       Arar said at a news conference in Ottawa. "I would have
not have
> even       been sent to Syria had this information not been given to
> "I       have waited a long time to have my name cleared. I was tortured
and lost
> a year of my life. I will never be the same," Arar said. "The United
> must take responsibility for what it did to me and must stop
destroying more
> innocent lives with its unlawful actions."
> The       commission concluded there was no evidence Canadian
> participated in or agreed to the decision to send Arar to       Syria. But
> O'Connor recommended that in the future, information should       never be
> provided to a foreign country where there is a credible risk       that it
> cause or contribute to the use of torture.
> Most of       the judge's 23 policy recommendations centered on the RCMP
> emphasized       the need to improve the force's internal policies for
> security       investigations and the sharing of information with other
> Arar's case has been regularly featured on the front pages of
> newspapers and public outcry led to the government calling an
> Canada's federal government established the inquiry in 2004 to
determine the
> role Canadian officials played.
> O'Connor also found       "troubling questions" about the role played by
> officials in the       cases of three other Canadians of Arab descent -- 
Ahmad El
> Maati,       Abdullah Almalki and Muayyed Nureddin. All claim they were
> in       Syria after traveling there on personal business, and all suspect
> the RCMP, Canadian intelligence or both collaborated with their
> O'Connor said he could not get to the bottom of those cases       because
of the
> limited nature of his mandate. But he urged the       government to
appoint an
> independent investigator -- something short of a       full-fledged public
> -- to look into those cases.
> O'Connor       sifted through thousands of pages of documents and sat
> testimony       from more than 40 witnesses. He delivered two versions of
> report to       the government: one classified, the other public. But
portions of
> even       the public edition of the long-awaited document were withheld
due to
> security concerns.
> 9/19/2006       06:23:35
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