[Vision2020] Donovan: Liar, Idiot, or both?
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 17 10:14:31 PDT 2006
First, you are a liar. You lie that you only attack those who attack you.
You launched this recent character assassination, now joined by Dick
Sherwin, after I asked you a simple question.
You lie about my opinions and statements. Here, picked at random from the
list of links you provided, is one of my posts:
Is torture illegal? Is the President allowed to permit torture? Are he or
those who torture in our name immune from prosecution?
Please explain, if you can, how this is support of terrorists or enemies of
the United States. Of course you may be busy lobbying the Senate to support
the Administration's bill to set up kangaroo courts and permit evidence
obtaied by torture right now. Quick, attack Colin Powell too for opposing
torture and the violation of the Geneva Conventions. Even he can't stay on
board with this stuff any longer.
Dick, your statements simply show you cannot understand the idea that we
have the right and duty to stand up for what we believe, and that people who
love this country and its principles do not necessarily agree with you. The
road to a totalitarian state will be paved by people who don't understand
the need for honest dialog and criticism of government.
Donovan, I can see how your maturity and breadth of life experience
qualifies you to give career advice. I shall give it all the attention it
deserves. For my part, I wouldn't put you in charge of cleaning catboxes or
diapers, work for which you seemed qualified earlier. You would eat the
shit and then spew it on this listserve as you have been doing.
When you are no longer a fool, it will show in your posts. When you can
attack my ideas by analysing what I've actually said, I'll be surprised.
It's easier for you to lie and proclaim your idiocy than it is to actually
do any work.
Prove your points or shut up, windbag.
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and
>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
> I don't disagree with defending the rights of the accused. I disagree
>with giving any rights at all to convicted and self admitted child
>molesters over the rights of others. If someone is accused of child
>molestation, they should get the best defense possible. But after that,
>shy of a mistrial or rigged trail, lawyers shouldn't be arguing, in court
>or on-line that they should be free to go to another city, unsupervised,
>that is FUBAR. To me, that is supporting Child Molesters over the rights
>of children and other potential victims. I don't care your logic, that
>self admitted and convicted child molesters should have those rights.
> Second, I would never support putting you in charge of the nation's
>security. I listed plenty of emails that indicate your position on
>terrorists. It is my opinion, Sunil, that the tone and language of your
>emails combined, over time, indicate you sympathize with the plight of
>the majority of these individuals that wish real harm to Americans and
>Westerns. Others are entitled to look at those 20+ emails over the last 3
>years and think otherwise. It is my opinion that any foreigner that states
>they wish real harm to the United States, its elected leaders, its people,
>or its property, and has the ability to act on that statement, the
>military has the duty to detain that foreigner until her/she is no longer
>poses a threat. It is called National Security. National Security and the
>prevention of an immediate harm and death of the innocent take precedence
>over that of individual freedom of movement of US enemies.
> Nobody is putting a gun to your head to represent convicted and
>self-admitted child molesters. That is your choice, and yours only. Nobody
>is forcing you to sympathize with the rights of people who say "Death to
>America". You could choose to represent the elderly, disabled, or millions
>of other poor children that are wronged everyday in this country with no
>shortage of work and just as little pay.
> You spend way to much time on Vision2020 defending these people.
> But again, I am not going to argue with you. As you could argue the
>number of the dimples on a golf ball only number two, that is what you do.
>I am not good at legal argumentation, I cannot even spell half the time.
>But I can tell you my opinion is that convicted child molesters should not
>go anywhere unsupervised and that terrorists wish harm and can will bring
>harm to the US should be set free because of some legal argument, tell
>that to victims of 911. Your statements, so frequently and intensely, as
>you do on a public forum, in my opinion, is defending them, not their
>actions, but them.
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