[Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and ConvictedChild Molesters

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 16 17:50:30 PDT 2006

All is good.  Thanks.   ;)

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>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and 
>ConvictedChild Molesters
>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:22:37 -0700
>Clearly you don't believe in the accused's right to representation.  I do.
>I am proud to do so.  Do you believe we should have the accused face
>prosecution and confinement or deathwithout a lawyer?  I don't.
>Now, I have challenged you to demonstrate why I am wrong in the posts you
>listed.  You took the time to find them and cite them.
>I am sick of your lies and false attacks, Donovan.  You claim to attack
>those who attack you.  I did not attack you yesterday, yet you continue to
>demonstrate your utter lack of redeeming value in your posts about me.  Put
>up or shut up.
>If you can't do so, retract your statements about me.
>J Ford, I apologize for lumping you in with Donovan and Tony in my second
>post today.  I should not have done so.
> >From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> >To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and
> >ConvictedChild Molesters
> >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Jackie,
> >
> >  I never stated that Sunil supports terrorism and  child molestation, 
> >is preposterous, re-read what I wrote. I said  he defends those that do.
> >
> >   Keely,
> >
> >   The definition of slander is the  saying of something that is false 
> >damaging. If it is true, it isn't  slander. Sunil himself admits to
> >defending convicted child molesters:
> >
> >
> >"It is true that I defend convicted child molesters at sentencing
> >
> >hearings that occur after a client has been convicted by a jury"
> >
> >        Sunil Ramalingam--
> >http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-September/035436.html
> >
> >
> >   Sunil,
> >
> >  I am not going to try and argue with you. For you are  the master of
> >convincing the jury that the Sun really rises in the West  depending on
> >ones point of view.
> >
> >  I am sure that you can  argue that I got the context wrong in some of
> >your posts, but after 20+  such posts over 2.5 years it is hard to write
> >all them off.
> >
> >FYI,  I did support Sami Omar. He was living in UI Family Housing at the
> >time  he was abducted. I represented Family Housing in the UI student
> >government at the time. I defended Sami in student council and even
> >brought his family there, which was even aired on public  television.  I
> >kept in contact with John Dickinson about what was  going at the trial in
> >Boise. That case is different, because it was a  domestic case and there
> >was no evidence whatsoever that Sami was a  terrorist, in fact it all
> >pointed in the opposite direction. Further,  Sami was not saying he was
> >planning on killing Americans when he gets  out like those detained
> >overseas. And, at least one member of Sami's  family was born right here 
> >Moscow.
> >
> >  I don't think the  government can detain someone forever without at 
> >trying to find  out if someone is guilty. But letting them go if they say
> >"Death to  America" is just to risky when they are capable of acting on 
> >
> >   My disagreement with you Sunil, is that you clearly are brilliant, yet
> >rather than using your talents to defend victims in our society, you  use
> >your wit and experience to defend convicted child molesters.
> >
> >   I am not arguing you are not doing your job, or you are not good at 
> >I am arguing that your job should be something more productive and
> >meaningful then the release of child molesters and the scum of the  earth
> >when you know they are guilty.
> >
> >  I am sure you with  your big brain will justify that in your own mind.
> >But I think anyone  with a heart will ask WHY the child molesters get a
> >good lawyer and  trial when there are so many other more deserving and
> >wronged people  with their rights being stepped on. They should be a 
> >priority to  you and any lawyer concerned about justice.
> >
> >   Best,
> >
> >   _DJA
> >
> >Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:  Tom,
> >
> >It is true that I defend convicted child molesters at sentencing hearings
> >that occur after a client has been convicted by a jury (or a judge in
> >juvenile cases) at the sentencing hearing and in subsequent legal
> >proceedings, or at a post-conviction hearing filed by a client who is
> >usually in prison.  If a convicted child molester is charged with a new
> >crime, then I may defend that person.  As a public defender I don't judge
> >my
> >clients; there is no shortage of people ready to do this (regardless of 
> >much or how little information they have about the crime or the criminal)
> >and it's not my place or job to do so.  I try to represent them to the 
> >of my ability, and I don't apologize for this.
> >
> >I have never represented a convicted terrorist as a lawyer, though I 
> >were I to be appointed to do so or if I were retained to do so.  I did
> >represent a witness in Sami al Hussein's case, and am happy I was able to
> >offer him assistance.  Perhaps Donovan would like to insult me for doing
> >so.
> >
> >As one who believes our judicial system has underlying principles, I
> >believe
> >that all people who are held have the right to due process and a fair and
> >proper hearing.  I do not believe that we have the right to imprison
> >people,
> >no matter what we label them, forever, or to try them in kangaroo courts.
> >This is a defense of legal principle and human rights.  I consider it a
> >defense of our country, and the notion that we have enduring principles
> >These are beliefs that Donovan neither shares nor supports.  He is a fan 
> >expedience.
> >
> >Though Donovan does not support the Iraq war, he appears to find the Bush
> >Administration infallible once they arrest or confine a Muslim.  At that
> >point he believes it is appropriate to hold that person indefinately.  I
> >find this position shameful and disgusting, and Donovan finds me 
> >because of this, I am willing to live with the loss of his approval.
> >
> >It is interesting to note the subject line of Donovan's most recent post.
> >He has claimed he only attacks those who attack him.  Most recently he
> >incorrectly made fun of Keely's spelling; I asked him if he wanted the 
> >done to him.  Since we all post all too quickly, we all make spelling
> >errors, and few of us would really want to have our own posts criticized
> >for
> >our typos.  This is the point I was making.
> >
> >Donovan, in the thoughtful and Christian response we have all learned so
> >well, responds by attacking my character in a way that has the smallest
> >germ
> >of truth but is intended to be a slur.  I have written him offline and
> >pointed out that hatred of Middle Easterners has often resulted in racial
> >slurs and threats being directed towards me; I have told him that I
> >consider
> >his calling me a defender of terrorists could actually be harmful to me.
> >You see the effect (or is it 'affect' Donovan?) my request has had on 
> >
> >Of course, this is the man, or aging adolescent, who has suggested it 
> >benefit the gene pool if children were to die playing in construction 
> >that should be off-limits if their parents fail to provide proper
> >supervision, so I would be foolish to expect better of him.
> >
> >Sunil
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tom Hansen"
> > >To: "'Donovan Arnold'" ,        "'Sunil
> > >Ramalingam'" ,
> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and
> > >ConvictedChild Molesters
> > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:05:37 -0700
> > >
> > >Arnold -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your statement, here on a public listserve, that Sunil Ramalingam 
> > >convicted child molesters and convicted terrorists, reflects upon your
> >lack
> > >of maturity and sense of decency, and in virtually all litigious 
> > >maybe considered libelous.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Name ONE convicted child molester which Sunil has defended!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Name ONE convicted terrorist which Sunil has defended!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Failing either of these requests, you owe Sunil a VERY meaningful and
> > >public apology.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Tom Hansen
> > >
> > >Vandalville, Idaho
> > >
> >
> >
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