[Vision2020] Coe, Sitler and Duncan

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 10 12:28:54 PDT 2006

How dare you!  Have you lived through being raped, molested, almost killed!? 
  Huh,have you?  Didn't think so.  So don't you dare assume you know that 
murder is worse than living through the type of hell child predators put 
their victims through.  YOU HAVE NO IDEA!  The person murdered - their pain 
is over; the "survivor" of molestation/rape, etc. - their pain continues on 
and on and on.  They never loose it - some learn to live with it differently 
than others, some take the route of suicide.  A VAST majority of child 
victims are killed.

According toe National Missing and Exploited Children's web site:

"an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were 
abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most 
serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; 
and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions."

THAT is a hell of a lot of kids missing and hurt.  You want to tell them or 
their families that "its ok, at least you can't prove they've had the worst 
happen to them - that they are dead."?  The worst is not knowing where they 
are, are they safe, are they being tortured?

There are many, many victims of rape and child molestation that would and 
have taken death over living with what happened to them.  Suicide does not 
mitigate or negate the seriousness of the originating crime of molestation.  
The fact that someone would say "you'll get over it - it was only 
molestation vs. murder" or "molestation is not as bad as murder - you lived 
through it" is what is asinine - and callous.

Duncan is not "alleged" to be a multiple child molester - he IS a multiply 
convicted and multiply charged child molester and killer.

If you talk to Adam Walsh's father, John, or anyone else who works to fight 
against child molesters they will tell you 9 x's out of 10, the perp has 
been caught doing a "lesser" crime, but has committed numerous extremely 
serious unknown ones.  Duncan is NOT unique - he just got caught.

In ref to Coe, he ASKED/PETITIONED/BEGGED the court to allow him to be 
transferred to another facility - to get him out of Spokane.  It matters 
little where that place is or that he MAY have ended up there eventually; 
what matters is HE made the request and the court went with it:

"Kevin Coe Gets Hearing Delay  September 6, 2006 By Associated Press

Kevin Coe, convicted of one of the rapes that terrorized Spokane's South 
Hill neighborhood a quarter-century ago, on Wednesday requested transfer to 
a special prison for sexual predators to spend a seven-week delay in the 
state's efforts to keep him in custody indefinitely.

Spokane County Superior Court Judge Kathleen O'Connor on Wednesday granted 
Coe's request to go to the special commitment center on McNeil Island and 
agreed to the delay in the probable cause hearing to give his lawyers time 
to study more than 66,000 pages of documents the state submitted in its 
efforts to keep Coe in custody.

Coe's attorney, Tim Trageser, said his client would like to spend the delay 
at McNeil Island, in Puget Sound between Tacoma and Olympia, rather than the 
Spokane County Jail.

As a civil facility, McNeil Island has much better living arrangements than 
a crowded county jail, Trageser said."

And yes, victimization does occur in prison - BUT NOT TO CHILDREN by 
molesters.  People don't want to run the risk they will become a victim in 
prison, they should not do a crime that puts them in that position.  (Before 
you say it - YES there are innocent people sent to jail or prison and YES 
they can become victims in jail or prison.)

And your claim that there is only one "sex offender treatment provider" and 
they are in Clarkston is false.  There are MANY in the area and Sitler is 
actually being treated by TWO providers, one in Pullman and one in 
Clarkston.  And to the Sheriff's chagrin, his FAMILY members are taking him 
to both.  Read the file - you'll see there is a letter there from the LCSD 
that specifically requests anyone BUT family members take Sitler to his 
"treatment" and the court, thus far, has ignored that request.

It irks me to no end that a defense lawyer, ANY, continues to claim they 
know what a victim of their client's feels or the victim of any crime feels. 
  Until you are on the receiving end of that crime - you have no idea.

J  :]

>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:24:27 -0700
>Duncan is alleged to be a serial killer as well as a child molester.  You
>claim he's close to average for a sex offender and then claim I'm being
>obtuse?  Please! That's a ridiculous position to take.  No, it's asinine,
>absolute nonsense.
>Please do not compare murder to molestation and claim they're the same.
>Most people can tell they're two separate crimes, with the former being
>I don't think the only practice providing treatment to sex offenders, which
>is based in Clarkston, would come here to provide treatment to one person.
>If I'm wrong, which is possible, then there would be no reason to let 
>out for treatment.  If they won't come here, then this is a reason to allow
>him to go to Clarkston for treatment.
>It's obtuse to claim Coe is having his way when he is going to the facility
>where the state wishes to keep him what appears to be the rest of his life,
>in order to prepare for the hearing that will determine his future.
>Actually, prison provides numerous opportunities to victimize others.
> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coe
> >transferredtospecialcommitmentcenteronMcNeilIsland
> >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:46 -0700
> >
> >Ok, now you're being purposefully obtuse.  There is no way I can say,
> >without taking a poll, what provider would be willing, or not, to go to 
> >jail and offer treatment.  What I can say is that the ones I have talked 
> >in a casual manner, have said they have never been asked by the court, 
> >have just been asked or ordered to provide the "treatment" and told the
> >prisoner will come to them.  And no, I will not provide those names as 
> >know very well that confidentiality prohibits me from doing that.
> >
> >Coe, through his attorney, requested that he be transferred out of 
> >to a specific facility.  It was COE's choice and the court went with it.
> >
> >Duncan is more along the lines of the average molester than you'd like to
> >admit.  Difference is, he got caught.  Whether they kill their victims or
> >kill what childhood the victim may have had, the violator has committed a
> >deadly sin and should be punished accordingly.  Penny's idea of 
> >them to 25-life right out of the gate makes more sense than 15, with time
> >off for "good" behavior.  How else are they gonna act in prison than 
> >since there is no opportunity to victimize anyone?
> >
> >
> >J  :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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