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Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
Sat Sep 9 08:05:02 PDT 2006


Well, your response is addressed to me and my original post is down below, so it SEEMS as if it is a response to comments that I've made. I'm a bit perplexed, though, since you keep attacking me for things that I did not do and criticizing me for things that I did not say. So, I'm not sure how to reply!

This is typical of the responses on this topic from you, and Crabtree, and Sherman. Instead of responding to what anyone has actually said, you suppose that they meant something far worse and respond to that. If I wanted to play this game I'd have to say something like: "So your point is that neo-Nazis are better than Nazis." But I can't bring myself to do it.

I happen to agree with you that the NSA-downtown issue has little to do with parking. (Indirectly, of course, it does but directly it does not.) It is about the downtown area of Moscow being an inappropriate place for ANY college or university. It is also about one new college being allowed downtown and one 100-year-old institution not being allowed downtown. It is about the fact that NSA's troubles with our zoning codes date back to its inception, when it was located in a neighborhood.

I admit that since NSA has a fellow on the staff who thinks that slavery wasn't so bad and that death is an appropriate "punishment" for gays and lesbians, I believe that NSA is an especially bad candidate for our downtown area. But since I already think that NO college or university should be located downtown, this hardly matters. 

But these are separate issues, as I've said before. I don't have a problem keeping them separate even if it serves your purposes to continually run them together.

Best, Joe

---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

  All that in response to just my one sentenced comment? Wow! 
  I am not going to get into the details of the law and parking about NSA  because it is irrelevant because if it isn't  the parking then it  is zoning, if it isn't zoning, then it is their book publishing, if  isn't book publishing then it is the fact that they are  giving a  sip of wine to minors during mass, if it isn't that, then it is they  are lying about  people  vandalizing their property, and the  list goes on. . .
  You just proved to everyone here that it isn't about the parking by bringing up the zoning issue. 
  Here is one question for you Joe, if you really, "want NSA in town, I  just don't want them downtown." , where do you want NSA to be? Be  specific, like an address, and the address must also be in a zoning  area that allows for a four a year accredited liberal arts colleges,  not just an address you think would be a good one, it must fit in the  current law and zoning district. Find us just one location, Joe, just  one. 
 "My anger at NSA is over its blatant disregard for the  beliefs and feelings of many of the local citizens and its blatant  disrespect of social, moral, and legal conventions."
  See again, it isn't about parking. It is about the fact that you are angered at your interpretation of their beliefs. 

Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:  You are wrong, Donovan. I want NSA in town, I just don't want them downtown.

Here  is one gift that NSA downtown has given us: If the U of I wants to take  over downtown Moscow, then they are in a much better position to do so  now than they would have otherwise been without the CUP. 
Why  is it that NSA is allowed downtown but the U of I is not? No  substantive reason. Thus, the U of I could now locate downtown if they  wished. The only thing preventing them from doing so is their own good  grace. (NSA folks will tell you that they are already downtown but that  is not really true. If you doubt this, suggest a counterexample.) 
Now  the folks at NSA -- saints that they are -- have no intention of taking  over downtown through incremental measures: one or two building here,  one or two buildings there. But what is to prevent the U of I from  doing so? Well, as of now, nothing but their own good grace! 
Some  of us think that the downtown area is not a good place for a college or  university, especially given that this town has had a college or  university for over 100 years and it is now big enough to take over the  town, should it so desire to do so. NSA downtown makes a U of I  takeover more possible now than it would otherwise be. And the only  reason that the U of I will not take over the downtown is out of its  own good grace. I hope that NSA has a similar attitude but I honestly  worry that it does not! 
My anger at NSA is over its blatant  disregard for the beliefs and feelings of many of the local citizens  and its blatant disrespect of social, moral, and legal conventions. It  has nothing to do with their religious views. And I very much resent,  Donovan, your constant insistence that things are otherwise. 
Joe Campbell 
---- Donovan Arnold  wrote: 
I don't think these people are really worried about parking. They just want NSA out of town. 

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