[Vision2020] [Spam] [Spam] Re: The Moscow Food Co-Op and Mad Cow

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Thu Sep 7 10:33:53 PDT 2006

Sorry for all the typo's. I hit send before I checked it.
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From: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:21:32 -0700
To: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com,  donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] [Spam] Re:  The Moscow Food Co-Op and Mad Cow

> Excellent post and reasonably well balanced. I am from a cattle ranch background and am a meat eater. I currently raise sheep.Most of the people I know in the Livestock Industry are opposed to cruelty and take every precation to see that animals are treated humanely. There is no justification for  not being compassionate to all livestock. PETA and some environmentalists are opposed to all animal agriculture for environmental reasons. Most of these reasons are bogus. This is not to say that there are not some problems. These problems such as waste from Dairies and Feedlots  are the subject of ongoing research. These byproducts will in the near future be a valuable source of energy. They are already a good source of fertilizer. By products from animals are used in all facets of our lives. In addition to food, clothing and medicine animal product usage in industry is endless. Without them the quality of live would be greatly diminished.
> There are of course instances where animals inadvertently suffer, just like there is with humans. In domestic animals this suffering can be treated and minimized. Wild animals are also subject to a wide variety of diseases and suffering. They go untreated. In hunting not everything is a clean kill. Some suffer prolonged pain. Hunting is still a valuable management tool in controlling overpopulation, disease and starvation.
> Again I applaud your balanced and reasonable post. I do not question the integrity sincerity and compassion of the folks at PERA. They are just misguided.
> Roger
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> From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:26:48 -0700
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com,  vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] The Moscow Food Co-Op and Mad Cow
> > Donovan, I wonder if it's occurred to you that vegetarian, vegan, and more 
> > extreme animal-rights groups like PETA find the use of animals for human 
> > consumption inhumane and morally wrong regardless of the circumstances?  
> > PETA, for example, is opposed to eating meat, using animal products in 
> > clothes, using animals in science, and even calling my beloved dog, Duffy, a 
> > "pet" -- she is a "companion," because, evidently, "pet" is demeaning and 
> > has an "owner-owned" connotation that PETA finds offensive.  That vegan 
> > groups like PETA find even the most humane examples of animal processing for 
> > food to be unwarranted and immoral isn't at all shocking, regardless of 
> > whether or not you agree with them.
> > 
> > Consuming animal flesh is an act that occurs only after the death of the 
> > animal.  Since animals don't commit suicide, and none are processed in the 
> > US after dying natural, peaceful deaths, we can assume that the violent 
> > death of an animal provides my dinner.  Perhaps none of us should eat meat.  
> > As I've said before, it's something I wrestle with.  But when we do eat 
> > meat, we should be encouraged to seek out the most humanely-processed animal 
> > products we can.  It may be a perceived need, the eating of animal flesh; no 
> > legitimate need is satisfied, however, by wantonly and gratuitously cruel 
> > methods of slaughter and processing.
> > 
> > I applaud the Co-Op for working to find humane, clean processors of animal 
> > products, and for the life of me I can't see why they should be harrassed.  
> > I think PETA does a disservice to any group or individual it lends its 
> > support to, and I'm beginning to feel that Donovan does the same.  I find 
> > PETA's inability to grasp that humankind has a value that exceeds that of 
> > any other created being more than a little maddening; paraphrasing another 
> > pundit, if a PETA member were staying with your child and your Lhasa Apso 
> > when a fire broke out, you'd be relieved for the puppy but concerned for the 
> > kid.  Further, I'm puzzled by Donovan's inability to trust that others may 
> > also hold pure motives and practice their professions honorably, and until I 
> > go completely vegan, I'll withhold criticism of groups that do their best to 
> > conduct business ethically.
> > 
> > keely
> > 
> > keely
> > 
> > 
> > From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] The Moscow Food Co-Op and Mad Cow
> > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> >      The Co-Op and Mad Cow
> >                  Mr. London, last week attempted to tell everyone that the  
> > Moscow Co-Op doesn’t use suppliers that ever mistreat and abuse animals.
> > 
> > 
> > "The Co-op has a clear commitment to selling only meat that
> > has been raised in a humane fashion."
> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-September/034975.html
> > 
> >       I took the liberty of looking at just two regular suppliers
> > of the Co-Op to demonstrate the invalidity his claims.
> >                     The first company I looked at was Northwest Premium 
> > Meats,  LLC. Located in Nampa, Idaho. No website I could find.
> >              The second company I looked at was The Diesel Family Ranch,  
> > located in Sonora,  CA. www.diestelturkey.com
> >                   Northwest Premium Meat LLC, which is a current  meat 
> > supplier for the Co-Op, has been targeted and listed on vegetarian and  
> > animals rights websites like this one; 
> > http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/1000556.html
> >                       In fact,  this supplier for the Co-Op was suspended 
> > for a period of time last year by the  USDA for violations related to 9 CFR 
> > Part 500.3, http://www.fsis.usda.gov/fact_sheets/fsis_food_recalls/index.asp
> >    as reported in the FSIS Quarterly Report;
> > 
> >            “On 7/26/05, a  suspension action concerning Bovine Spongiform 
> > Encephalopathy and Specified  Risk Material was taken in accordance with 9 
> > CFR Part 500.3.”
> >        http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/QER_Q4_FY2005.pdf
> >                  Bovine Spongiform  Encephalopathy is also more commonly 
> > known as Mad Cow Disease http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/bsefaq.html  . 
> > Setting aside the huge potential health issues here had FSIS not come to the 
> >   rescue, this does directly relate to the mistreatment of animals. Animal 
> > rights  activists have made a big issue of this practice for a long time, 
> > especially  since the recent outbreaks of Mad Cow in the United States that 
> > have been hushed  up and the government has cut funding to find and stop.  
> > http://organicconsumers.org/madcow.htm
> > 
> >            The Diesel  Family Ranch, www.diestelturkey.com  which supplies 
> > the Co-Op with poultry products and boasts a great view and open  space for 
> > its turkeys, has also had a run in with animal rights groups for  snapping 
> > off the turkey’s beaks. In fact, in Sonora, California,  where the ranch is 
> > located, it is illegal to clip off the beaks of birds unless  the animal is 
> > going to going to be processed for consumption, which these  animals are 
> > going to be. However, that doesn’t mean the animals don’t suffer  the same 
> > consequences for a clipped beak just because they are not called  someone’s 
> > pet. Those that have has birds know beaks are a vital tool for  animals for 
> > cleaning, health, preening, straightening feathers, and preening  other 
> > birds to build needed social relationships. 
> > http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/11.21.02/thanksgiving-0247.htm
> > 
> >          My point here is not to pick on the Co-Op as being an animal  
> > abuser. My point is that Mr. London is obviously unaware of some of the  
> > suppliers the Co-Op has and what they do, or is not aware of what 
> > constitutes animal’s  abuse or cruelty. If Mr. London believes chopping 
> > beaks off birds or buying  from suppliers that have gotten federal 
> > suspensions for not controlling Mad Cow  is not violating animal rights and 
> > a "clear commitment to selling only meat that has been raised in a humane 
> > fashion,"  he has the right to  adopt that personal use definition.
> >         However, according the definitions of animal rights groups  like 
> > PETA www.peta.org ,  environmental groups like the Organic Consumers 
> > Association http://organicconsumers.org/madcow.htm  , and the Federal 
> > Government http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/QER_Q4_FY2005.pdf  ,  at least some 
> > of the suppliers for the  Co-Op are not being humane toward the animals they 
> > are raising.
> > 
> > 
> >            Bovine Appetite,
> >            _DJA
> > 
> > 
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