[Vision2020] Co-op meat, animal rights, etc.
megan at meganpru.com
Tue Sep 5 19:32:08 PDT 2006
Perhaps you'd like to present your findings to the Co-op (might want
to make sure your sources are legit and up to date of course) and see
if they are willing to look into the issue more. They are usually
open to feedback and concerns, and I'm sure they'd want to know about
their suppliers. Maybe they'd even be willing to switch suppliers if
you found some that were more humane.
But, as Keely pointed out, most animal rights activists don't support
meat production at all, but certain meats can be argued to be a
necessity, so it is difficult to attack every restaurant or store
selling meat, and often we must pick our battles. If this is
something you're concerned about, by all means, address the Co-op
about it, they're the ones who ought to know your findings.
I must admit I find your stereotyping of PETA supporters a bit
offensive. Personally, I have experience as a day care manager, and I
believe all members of a species have a natural inclination to hold
their own species as special and important, so honestly I would save
a child AND a puppy in a disaster situation. If I couldn't save both,
I'd certainly save the child first. I have heard the misconception
that animal rights activists put animals before humans or that they
care about animals but not people, but this is simply not true. Maybe
a few people think this way, but it's not mainstream in the animal
rights movement. Humans are animals, and injustice and cruelty are
injustice and cruelty, no matter what kind of sentient being they are
leveled against. Many animal rights activists such as myself choose
to focus on speaking up for animals simply because they cannot speak
up for themselves, and most animal cruelty is so hidden and ingrained
into our culture that people simply don't know or don't see what
really goes on. There are many issues that tie into animal rights as
well, most notably human rights, the environment, wildlife and
habitat conservation, and world hunger. The people at PETA that I
have met are the most compassionate people I've ever known, for all
life and not just animals. The organization is simply trying to get
people to open their circles of compassion up a little more and
educate them about what really goes into their food and animal
products. There are a lot of misconceptions and myths floating around
about the movement and about PETA, perhaps you could listen to the
interview Kelsey & I did on KUOI a few weeks ago, we had a great
discussion about some of the myths surrounding PETA and dispelled
quite a few rumors.
Have a lovely evening. :)
Donovan, I wonder if it's occurred to you that vegetarian, vegan, and
extreme animal-rights groups like PETA find the use of animals for human
consumption inhumane and morally wrong regardless of the circumstances?
PETA, for example, is opposed to eating meat, using animal products in
clothes, using animals in science, and even calling my beloved dog,
"pet" -- she is a "companion," because, evidently, "pet" is demeaning
has an "owner-owned" connotation that PETA finds offensive. That vegan
groups like PETA find even the most humane examples of animal
food to be unwarranted and immoral isn't at all shocking, regardless of
whether or not you agree with them.
Consuming animal flesh is an act that occurs only after the death of the
animal. Since animals don't commit suicide, and none are processed
US after dying natural, peaceful deaths, we can assume that the violent
death of an animal provides my dinner. Perhaps none of us should eat
As I've said before, it's something I wrestle with. But when we do eat
meat, we should be encouraged to seek out the most humanely-processed
products we can. It may be a perceived need, the eating of animal
legitimate need is satisfied, however, by wantonly and gratuitously
methods of slaughter and processing.
I applaud the Co-Op for working to find humane, clean processors of
products, and for the life of me I can't see why they should be
I think PETA does a disservice to any group or individual it lends its
support to, and I'm beginning to feel that Donovan does the same. I
PETA's inability to grasp that humankind has a value that exceeds
any other created being more than a little maddening; paraphrasing
pundit, if a PETA member were staying with your child and your Lhasa
when a fire broke out, you'd be relieved for the puppy but concerned
kid. Further, I'm puzzled by Donovan's inability to trust that
also hold pure motives and practice their professions honorably, and
go completely vegan, I'll withhold criticism of groups that do their
conduct business ethically.
The Co-Op and Mad Cow
Mr. London, last week attempted to tell everyone
Moscow Co-Op doesn’t use suppliers that ever mistreat and abuse animals.
"The Co-op has a clear commitment to selling only meat that
has been raised in a humane fashion."
I took the liberty of looking at just two regular suppliers
of the Co-Op to demonstrate the invalidity his claims.
The first company I looked at was Northwest Premium
Meats, LLC. Located in Nampa, Idaho. No website I could find.
The second company I looked at was The Diesel Family
located in Sonora, CA. www.diestelturkey.com
Northwest Premium Meat LLC, which is a current meat
supplier for the Co-Op, has been targeted and listed on vegetarian and
animals rights websites like this one;
In fact, this supplier for the Co-Op was
for a period of time last year by the USDA for violations related to
Part 500.3, http://www.fsis.usda.gov/fact_sheets/fsis_food_recalls/
as reported in the FSIS Quarterly Report;
“On 7/26/05, a suspension action concerning Bovine
Encephalopathy and Specified Risk Material was taken in accordance
CFR Part 500.3.”
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy is also more
known as Mad Cow Disease http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/bsefaq.html .
Setting aside the huge potential health issues here had FSIS not come
rescue, this does directly relate to the mistreatment of animals.
rights activists have made a big issue of this practice for a long
especially since the recent outbreaks of Mad Cow in the United
have been hushed up and the government has cut funding to find and
The Diesel Family Ranch, www.diestelturkey.com which
the Co-Op with poultry products and boasts a great view and open
its turkeys, has also had a run in with animal rights groups for
off the turkey’s beaks. In fact, in Sonora, California, where the
located, it is illegal to clip off the beaks of birds unless the
going to going to be processed for consumption, which these animals are
going to be. However, that doesn’t mean the animals don’t suffer the
consequences for a clipped beak just because they are not called
pet. Those that have has birds know beaks are a vital tool for
cleaning, health, preening, straightening feathers, and preening other
birds to build needed social relationships.
My point here is not to pick on the Co-Op as being an animal
abuser. My point is that Mr. London is obviously unaware of some of the
suppliers the Co-Op has and what they do, or is not aware of what
constitutes animal’s abuse or cruelty. If Mr. London believes chopping
beaks off birds or buying from suppliers that have gotten federal
suspensions for not controlling Mad Cow is not violating animal
a "clear commitment to selling only meat that has been raised in a
fashion," he has the right to adopt that personal use definition.
However, according the definitions of animal rights groups
PETA www.peta.org , environmental groups like the Organic Consumers
Association http://organicconsumers.org/madcow.htm , and the Federal
Government http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/QER_Q4_FY2005.pdf , at
of the suppliers for the Co-Op are not being humane toward the
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