[Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!

Sun Oct 29 07:34:45 PST 2006

I am against abortion. However, how could it realistically be made illegal? Second, how would you make a mother love her baby?

  Any mother could go to an Indian reservation, visit Mexico or Canada,  get a pill smuggled into the country, or get a prescription from  countless doctors in the country that would "say" it was a death risk  for the mother to have the baby. It would not be a good use of taxpayer  monies to trying to enforce such an impossibly unenforceable law. 

  Second, there are too many gray areas regarding abortion where it would  be acceptable to have an abortion that could not be written clearly  into law. 

 Third, I really don't like the idea of the  government establishing legal control over a person's reproductive  organs. That is a scary proposition to give that kind of power to  government, especially this one. I fear that with overpopulation, and  genetic engineering, that the government would use that power to force  abortions and change the genetics of babies while in the womb. I think  that is a bad idea. 

 I think the best thing for society to  do is work together to have women freely choose to not have an  abortion, to dedicate resources to women that find themselves with an  unwanted pregnancy to over come the economic hardships of raising a  child on a woman's salary, and of course, to prevent unwanted  pregnancies in the first place. 

  Best,

  _DJA

Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:I  have no problem standing up for life, Tony. I know what I believe and  how I would act. The question is, Can I generalize on this and insist  that everyone believe and act as I do? I don't think so. 

We  agree about the moral issue. You just think that the moral debate is  more clear-cut than I do. I would rather leave such difficult decisions  up to individuals, not the government.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Tony  wrote: 

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Joe, instances in which an abortion is the only alternative to losing the 
mother are EXTREMELY rare.  I think you know that this is a red herring.

As far as killing a child to preclude potential future suffering.... that is 
not a justification I would ever want to be in a position of supporting. 
What of a physically healthy child born into extreme poverty or an abusive 
home?  Should we snuff them out as well?  Joe, you are engaging in 
intellectual twister in an effort to rationalize what your heart must be 
telling you is horribly wrong.  You have been conned by our culture of 
death.

 It is not too late for you to assert your instincts, dispense with the 
straitjacket of liberal orthodoxy and STAND UP FOR LIFE!

Best,  -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Campbell" 
To: "Tony" 
Cc: ; "Saundra Lund" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!

> Dear Tony,
>
> Sorry my dear friend but you are mistaken. There are in fact a multitude 
> of justifications for particular abortions: the mother's life is in 
> danger, the child is destined to have a short life yet suffer a great 
> deal, etc.
>
> Are you suggesting that the decision to take a human life in the context 
> of a war or capital punishment is somehow less difficult, morally 
> speaking, to make than a similar decision about the taking a human life in 
> the context of an abortion? If so, I'm missing the argument. There are 
> difficulties all across the board.
>
> The legal/political question is clear in each case: Who is to decide, you 
> or the State?
>
> Hope that you are well!
>
> Best, Joe
>
> ---- Tony  wrote:
>
> =============
> Saundra, capital punishment will VERY RARELY result in the unjustified
> killing of the innocent.  Abortion results in the unjustified killing of 
> the
> innocent EVERY SINGLE TIME!
>
> It really is time you began standing up for what is RIGHT.
>
> -T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Saundra Lund" 
> To: "'Tony'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>
>
>> Tony wrote:
>> "The death penalty results in the JUSTIFIED killing of the GUILTY."
>>
>> Well, at best, that's only partially correct.
>>
>> A more correct statement would be:
>> The death penalty MAY result in the killing of the guilty, but because of
>> the inherent fallibility of any judicial system, it also results in the
>> UNJUSTIFIED killing of the INNOCENT.
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>> nothing.
>> - Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
>> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tony
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:59 PM
>> To: Tom Hansen
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent!!!!!
>>
>> Tom, you seem to be having considerable difficulty with what is really a
>> very simple concept.  If you would pay more than your usual degree of
>> attention, I will promise to go slow.......
>>
>> The death penalty results in the JUSTIFIED killing of the GUILTY.
>> Abortion
>> results in the UNJUSTIFIED killing of the INNOCENT.
>>
>> Did you get that, or should I arrange for some remedial courses?
>>
>> Helping the intellectually challenged,  -T
>>
>>
>>
>
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