[Vision2020] Theft and such

[keely emerinemix]

My only further comment, Beemer, is in response to your final paragraph:

The vandalism against our schools is not a matter of mismanaged leisure 
time, as you seem to indicate.

And yes, if I were an elder at the premier anti-public schools group in a 
town suddenly beset by vandalism against those schools, I would, for reasons 
both pragmatic and prophetic, condemn it.

keely


From: "BMW" <BMW at yuber.com>
Reply-To: BMW at yuber.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
CC: kjamix1 at msn.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Theft and such
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:00:03 -0700



Thanks Keely.  I did read your post and we are going to have to agree to 
disagree on a few things.  I do want to say that my post was a combined 
response to both you and Jackie and my original post was to Jackie.  You 
chose to respond as you are free to do in this open forum but then I get a 
go too.  I never said that you were accusing any church of causing the 
damage.  In fact I would go so far to apologize for mentioning you and that 
church in the same post (perhaps I should have separated my notes to the two 
of you).  But in your original post you wrote "Have your elders publicly 
condemn acts of vandalism -- even
against "government schools".  Can you honestly tell me that is not a shot 
against a specific church that you don't like?  If it really truly isn't 
than I apologize.

As fas as Dr. Weitz' concern and work.  I know Dr.Weitz.  I know of his 
care, concern, and work for our community.  I respect him, his time, and his 
effort.  I have not responded to his post so I am not sure why you have 
brought it up here.  My response that seems to have you hot was to Jackie 
regarding her interest in reporting people to the police, often and perhaps 
unnessecarily.

  I do not condone theft or vandalism.  I think it is a disgrace that this 
is the way that people are spending their free time and it deserves the 
appropriate amount of attention and resources.  Do what you want with that!

Squeak, Squeak.
BMW


Keely writes:

Beemer, I hope you read this.

I'm not "obsessed with Christ Church."  I'm really not obsessed with much at
all, other than keeping up with the laundry.  But I do care deeply about
public schools and more about public school children, and it's upsetting to
think that someone, or a group of people, are purposely damaging school
property.  Damage to schools translates into damage to children, and that's
intolerable.  My previous post didn't mention Christ Church, nor any of its
attendant ministries, and your assumption that I'm desperate to link Christ
Church to vandalism against MSD could, were I not such a trusting soul,
prompt me to wonder if perhaps thou dost protesteth too much.

The fact is, I don't believe for a moment that Christ Church is involved in
any acts of vandalism against MSD.  I don't believe anyone from Christ
Church is involved in any acts of vandalism against MSD. And, Beemer, I
don't believe you're involved in any acts of vandalism against MSD.  I
detest the Kirk's attitude toward "government schools," and I'm certainly
not impressed with the depth of its committment to "the least of these" in
our community.  But the only link I see between the Kirk and school
vandalism is the one you suggested in your response to me.  That, and the
fact that the pastor of Emmanuel Lutheran hasn't cried "persecution," which
is certainly refreshing.

You might not know the depth and duration of Jerry Weitz' committment to the
community, the school kids of MSD, and particularly the alternative high
school students, for whom he's provided a complete school facility.  His
concern about the vandalism is the point of his post, Beemer, and his
question -- is there a group targeting our public schools? -- is more than
legitimate.  It's disheartening to me that so few people in Moscow seem to
know or care about, much less publicly condemn, what's happening, and if I
were a part of the single most visible, vocal, and vituperative anti-public
school group in town, I'd sure want to express appropriate outrage.

 >From out here in MSD Zone 2, the silence is pretty deafening from all 
parts.
   Your squeaking about my "Christ Church obsession" seems to only amplify
it.

keely

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