[Vision2020] Theft and such

[BMW]

Thanks Keely.  I did read your post and we are going to have to agree to disagree on a few things.  I do want to say that my post was a combined response to both you and Jackie and my original post was to Jackie.  You chose to respond as you are free to do in this open forum but then I get a go too.  I never said that you were accusing any church of causing the damage.  In fact I would go so far to apologize for mentioning you and that church in the same post (perhaps I should have separated my notes to the two of you).  But in your original post you wrote "Have your elders publicly condemn acts of vandalism -- even  
against "government schools".  Can you honestly tell me that is not a shot against a specific church that you don't like?  If it really truly isn't than I apologize.

As fas as Dr. Weitz' concern and work.  I know Dr.Weitz.  I know of his care, concern, and work for our community.  I respect him, his time, and his effort.  I have not responded to his post so I am not sure why you have brought it up here.  My response that seems to have you hot was to Jackie regarding her interest in reporting people to the police, often and perhaps unnessecarily.

 I do not condone theft or vandalism.  I think it is a disgrace that this is the way that people are spending their free time and it deserves the appropriate amount of attention and resources.  Do what you want with that!

Squeak, Squeak.
BMW


Keely writes:

Beemer, I hope you read this.

I'm not "obsessed with Christ Church."  I'm really not obsessed with much at 
all, other than keeping up with the laundry.  But I do care deeply about 
public schools and more about public school children, and it's upsetting to 
think that someone, or a group of people, are purposely damaging school 
property.  Damage to schools translates into damage to children, and that's 
intolerable.  My previous post didn't mention Christ Church, nor any of its 
attendant ministries, and your assumption that I'm desperate to link Christ 
Church to vandalism against MSD could, were I not such a trusting soul, 
prompt me to wonder if perhaps thou dost protesteth too much.

The fact is, I don't believe for a moment that Christ Church is involved in 
any acts of vandalism against MSD.  I don't believe anyone from Christ 
Church is involved in any acts of vandalism against MSD. And, Beemer, I 
don't believe you're involved in any acts of vandalism against MSD.  I 
detest the Kirk's attitude toward "government schools," and I'm certainly 
not impressed with the depth of its committment to "the least of these" in 
our community.  But the only link I see between the Kirk and school 
vandalism is the one you suggested in your response to me.  That, and the 
fact that the pastor of Emmanuel Lutheran hasn't cried "persecution," which 
is certainly refreshing.

You might not know the depth and duration of Jerry Weitz' committment to the 
community, the school kids of MSD, and particularly the alternative high 
school students, for whom he's provided a complete school facility.  His 
concern about the vandalism is the point of his post, Beemer, and his 
question -- is there a group targeting our public schools? -- is more than 
legitimate.  It's disheartening to me that so few people in Moscow seem to 
know or care about, much less publicly condemn, what's happening, and if I 
were a part of the single most visible, vocal, and vituperative anti-public 
school group in town, I'd sure want to express appropriate outrage.

>From out here in MSD Zone 2, the silence is pretty deafening from all parts. 
  Your squeaking about my "Christ Church obsession" seems to only amplify 
it.

keely

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