[Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????

[david sarff]

Pat, your sentiment is shared. There is more to this though.
Please consider the issue of the State killing the innocent. Killing a true 
murderer is not the issue as most may see it. Weakness in the process is 
where some of us have issue. Psychopaths don’t care. There is no deterrent 
beyond not leaving a route for their sick processes.
Sure they understand the rules. In fact that’s what they tend to play with, 
social rules. They play like card sharks. They could easily be happy 
maintaining a system that will result in the future death of anyone, 
innocent or no.  If you can support a system where some innocent people may 
be killed by the state. You may actually be supportive of psychopathic will 
by providing a toy to play games with.
Some sick people can split the difference. As long as someone is being 
tormented or killed, that’s where its at for them. They can maintain a ruse 
of social concern like a fisher-person uses bait.
The death penalth is "no deterent" for stopping sick minds or their actions.

D. Sarff



>
>Shasta heard/saw her murdered mother, her boyfriend and older brother, she
>and Dillion are loaded into a truck and taken to Montana where we can 
>assume
>they both saw/heard what happened to each other and she knew that Dillion
>didn't come back at some point. Just how awful does it have to be for a 
>nine
>year old girl for someone to deserve the death penalty?? For me this is it!
>Duncan is a textbook case for the state to take his life.
>
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>
>If we do discover a complete theory..of everything...we shall all,
>philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people,
>be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the 
>universe
>exist if we find the answer to that,
>it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason...for then we would know
>the mind of God.
>Stephen Hawking
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kai Eiselein, editor" <editor at lataheagle.com>
>To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????
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>When i think of heinous crimes, I think of the Jeffrey dahmers, John Wayne
>Gasey's (sp) and the Duncans of the world. Predators, all, killing only to
>satisfy their own twisted cravings.
>That is a huge difference from a man or woman that kills a
>spouse/lover/rival in a jealous rage.
>I don't have time to go deeper, I'm on an early deadline and leaving for a
>tropical isle for some r&r in the morning.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Campbell [mailto:joekc at adelphia.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:08 AM
>To: Kai Eiselein, editor
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????
>
>
>Dear Kai,
>
>I should point out that I don't have a clear opinion on this issue. I'm of
>two minds.
>
>I certainly do not care much whether Duncan lives or dies, and I agree with
>you that there are benefits to be gained from his death. When I read back
>these words, though, my blood run cold.
>
>You write: "our society has decided that some people have committed crimes
>so heinous that death is the penalty for committing them." What is the act
>that is so "heinous"? Isn't it the killing of another person? How can
>putting criminal persons to death convince others that it is wrong to kill
>another person? Wouldn't it more easily convince them that sometimes it is
>OK to kill another person?
>
>No disrespect to your views -- in fact, I understand exactly where you are
>coming from -- but these are the kinds of questions that come to mind when 
>I
>think of your quote.
>
>Best, Joe
>
>---- "Kai Eiselein wrote:
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>The death penalty was never meant to be a deterent. It is a punishment.
>Our society, and every other, has the obligation to decide what to do with
>those that cannot or will not live without harming others. To that end, our
>society has decided that some people have committed crimes so heinous that
>death is the penalty for committing them.
>Here are some irrefutable facts:
>1: As long as a dangerous offender is alive, he or she has the potential to
>injure or kill others.
>2: As long as a dangerous offender is alive he or she has a chance of
>getting out of prison, either by escape, mistake or intention.
>3: A dangerous offender who has been put to death has a zero percent chance
>of recidivism.
>So you think putting a dangerous offender in prison wth three hots and cot,
>medical and dental care, access to a law libray so he or she can file 
>appeal
>after appeal is worse than death? Then think about this.
>What about the victim and or the victim's family who have to relive the
>crime every time that offender is in the news with a new appeal or is 
>filing
>a lawsuit because conditions aren't "humane". He or she wasn't too worried
>about humane treatment of the victim. Opening old wounds of those hurt by
>the offender's actions time and time again isn't humane, in my opinion.
>Cost: I would suspect much of the cost for execuyting a convict comes from
>the myriad appeals that go on for decades, not from the actual
>holding/executing of the convict.
>Is the monetary cost any more relevant than the emotional cost to the 
>victim
>and/or family? I think it is less so.
>
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