[Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????

[Pat Kraut]

Shasta heard/saw her murdered mother, her boyfriend and older brother, she
and Dillion are loaded into a truck and taken to Montana where we can assume
they both saw/heard what happened to each other and she knew that Dillion
didn't come back at some point. Just how awful does it have to be for a nine
year old girl for someone to deserve the death penalty?? For me this is it!
Duncan is a textbook case for the state to take his life.




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philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people,
be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the universe
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kai Eiselein, editor" <editor at lataheagle.com>
To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????


When i think of heinous crimes, I think of the Jeffrey dahmers, John Wayne
Gasey's (sp) and the Duncans of the world. Predators, all, killing only to
satisfy their own twisted cravings.
That is a huge difference from a man or woman that kills a
spouse/lover/rival in a jealous rage.
I don't have time to go deeper, I'm on an early deadline and leaving for a
tropical isle for some r&r in the morning.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Campbell [mailto:joekc at adelphia.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:08 AM
To: Kai Eiselein, editor
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The death penalty....a deterent?????


Dear Kai,

I should point out that I don't have a clear opinion on this issue. I'm of
two minds.

I certainly do not care much whether Duncan lives or dies, and I agree with
you that there are benefits to be gained from his death. When I read back
these words, though, my blood run cold.

You write: "our society has decided that some people have committed crimes
so heinous that death is the penalty for committing them." What is the act
that is so "heinous"? Isn't it the killing of another person? How can
putting criminal persons to death convince others that it is wrong to kill
another person? Wouldn't it more easily convince them that sometimes it is
OK to kill another person?

No disrespect to your views -- in fact, I understand exactly where you are
coming from -- but these are the kinds of questions that come to mind when I
think of your quote.

Best, Joe

---- "Kai Eiselein wrote:

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The death penalty was never meant to be a deterent. It is a punishment.
Our society, and every other, has the obligation to decide what to do with
those that cannot or will not live without harming others. To that end, our
society has decided that some people have committed crimes so heinous that
death is the penalty for committing them.
Here are some irrefutable facts:
1: As long as a dangerous offender is alive, he or she has the potential to
injure or kill others.
2: As long as a dangerous offender is alive he or she has a chance of
getting out of prison, either by escape, mistake or intention.
3: A dangerous offender who has been put to death has a zero percent chance
of recidivism.
So you think putting a dangerous offender in prison wth three hots and cot,
medical and dental care, access to a law libray so he or she can file appeal
after appeal is worse than death? Then think about this.
What about the victim and or the victim's family who have to relive the
crime every time that offender is in the news with a new appeal or is filing
a lawsuit because conditions aren't "humane". He or she wasn't too worried
about humane treatment of the victim. Opening old wounds of those hurt by
the offender's actions time and time again isn't humane, in my opinion.
Cost: I would suspect much of the cost for execuyting a convict comes from
the myriad appeals that go on for decades, not from the actual
holding/executing of the convict.
Is the monetary cost any more relevant than the emotional cost to the victim
and/or family? I think it is less so.


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