[Vision2020] Death to Vermin!

[Tony]

Ralph, good to see you have diversified your rantings from the usual 
anti-Christian diatribes.  You insist that civilized states do not have 
capital punishment, but America has.  Is your own country uncivilized?  Your 
constant focus on the very RARE instances where capital punishment is 
applied to an innocent party ignores the point I made that NO SYSTEM of 
justice, administered by humans is going to operate infallibly.

Yes, an occasional innocent life will be lost under our present system.  A 
larger number of INNOCENT lives will be saved by preempting further 
aggression, resulting in a net SAVING of life.

And Ralph, you didn't ask a question,  you made a statement.  It was stupid, 
but I'll respond to it anyway:  If I were wrongly convicted of a crime and 
sentenced to death, I would of course proclaim my innocence.  But Ralph, try 
to grasp this: It would be irrelevant, for the above reason, to the question 
of whether or not capital punishment should be maintained.

Now go hassle a Christian or something.

-T----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Death to Vermin!


>>>
>>> Andreas, you ask that I support my contention that executing a man 
>>> prevents
>>> him from killing others in the future.  If I may:  When a man is 
>>> executed,
>>> his heart stops beating, making predatory behavior difficult to   engage 
>>> in.
>>> Further, his other organ systems stop functioning as well at the   point 
>>> of
>>> execution, thus causing decomposition.  A moldering corpse,  Andreas, 
>>> is a
>>> threat to no one.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps with your confusion,    -Tony
>>>
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>>>
>>> I presume Tony knows that hundreds of innocent people have been  put to 
>>> death by government killing. I suppose we can assume that  if Tony were 
>>> wrongly convicted of murder that he would gladly lay  down his life for 
>>> the satisfaction of other lovers of capital  punishment.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
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>>> Ralph, nice try but your requirement would eliminate the option of 
>>> civilization entirely.  Any system of justice is going to include 
>>> mistakes as it is administered by fallible human beings.  There is 
>>> unfortunately no getting around that reality. That a system is 
>>> imperfect in no way argues for its elimination.  Perhaps you would 
>>> prefer anarchy to civilization?
>>>
>>> -T
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> Nice dodging, Tony, but no cigar. Civilized states and countries do  not 
> have capital punishment. And they usually have much lower murder  rates 
> than those that do. The "option of civilization" is to abolish  capital 
> punishment, not to inflict it on the innocent.
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> When later evidence sometimes proves a convicted "murderer" to be 
> innocent, we can set the poor man free and compensate him for his 
> undeserved suffering only if we do not kill him first. Your attitude 
> makes me wonder whether people like you are really "civilized".
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> And, Tony, you didn't answer my question. Would you gladly lay down  your 
> life in the name of "deterrence" for the satisfaction of other  lovers of 
> capital punishment? If you were wrongly found guilty of a  despicable 
> murder and labeled "vermin."
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