[Vision2020] [Vision2020) DEATH TO VERMIN!

[Tony]

B-
You are making statements that enable and aid predators.  Unfortunately 
innocent people will lose their lives as a result.

First, to suggest that capital punishment is not a viable option because 
blood sucking defense attorneys use it to justify abuse of process, is to 
ignore the root problem: said attorneys.

Second, certainly those predisposed to kill at random are harder to deter, 
but their consistent choice of life imprisonment over death should indicate 
to thinking people that even the most violent of us treasure life.  (G.C. 
discussed this eloquently in a recent blog)  Further Bill, you fail to 
factor in those who ARE deterred.  I, for example, don't know that I 
wouldn't pump a few slugs into the nearest child rapist were it wholly 
legal.  I am certainly deterred, however, by the penalty society would 
unreasonably apply.  You ask why crime rates are so high in this country 
when we apply this sanction.  The obvious answer is because we DON'T apply 
it.  We, due to the actions of the aforementioned lawyers, string the 
process along to an absurd degree, victimizing victim's families all over 
again.  Were killers drawn and quartered in the public square and the 
blessed event broadcast on pay per view, we would certainly see a drop in 
the crime rate.

Hope this clears up your confusion that you might become a part of the 
SOLUTION,    -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <whayman at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020) DEATH TO VERMIN!


> T-
> you are making assumptions that fit your prejudices.  unfortunately, they 
> do
> not fit with reality.
> first, remember that capital punishment is much more expensive than life
> incarceration (count all the automatic appeals, free defense lawyers, etc)
> second, why do you think sociopathic killers like Duncan would be deterred
> by capital punishment?  I think it is fair to say that Duncan was 
> determined
> to rape/kill despite his knowledge that those were capital offenses.  Most
> capital crimes are crimes of passion where punishment is not relevant.
> third, if capital punishment is so wonderful a deterrent, why are the US
> crime rate and incarceration rates so much larger than those rates in
> countries without capital punishment (like those in Europe)?
> BL
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> To: <whayman at adelphia.net>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020) DEATH TO VERMIN!
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>> Actually whayman, killing sociopathic predators does indeed, in a very
> real
>> sense, bring someone back.  By acting as a deterrent to future aggression
>> and rendering the problem of recidivism moot, capital punishment would
>> preempt thousands of innocent deaths annually.
>>
>> Until you are able to muster the courage to dispense with predatory 
>> vermin
>> such as Duncan, you will continue to be part of the problem.
>>
>> Frustrated by the lily-livered left,  -T
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <whayman at adelphia.net>
>> To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Duncan plea deal
>>
>>
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I would agree with anyone that Duncan tests the limits much more than
> even
>> > more than Malvo in the DC area. What Duncan apparently did lies outside
>> > the human scope of sympathy. But even within this absolutely and
>> > disgustingly twisted psychopathic scenario, I still cannot advocate a
>> > penalty of death for anyone. Duncan included.
>> >
>> > Killing, as we all know, brings back no one. The argument of the death
>> > penalty as resolution and closure I find closer to vengeance than
> justice.
>> >
>> > Please don't take me wrong; I don't think rehab etc. is the issue in
> this
>> > case. I do hope that the rest of his life is spent anonymously and
> ignobly
>> > incarcerated.
>> >
>> > Warren Hayman
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