[Vision2020] Debate or Coward?

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 6 18:32:09 PDT 2006 

Jackie,
  
  Someone has to be a part of Food Bank, Clothing Bank, Pastor's Group or Community Action to be doing something good? 
  
  Are you a part of all these, other than as a consumer? 
  
  Do you have a list of every person that donates goods to the Food Bank and Clothing Bank to say for sure they don't donate? 
  
  If Doug Wilson or Christ Church proved to you they donated lots of  money to charity, would you leave them alone? Or would you still  bombard V2020 with endless personal attacks against him and his  followers?
  
  As I understand it, they gave you a place to stay and helped you fix up your house. Doesn't that count for something, Jackie?
  
  Best,
  
  _DJA

J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:  "And they also  do a lot of good for the community."



Heck, what "community" do they do any good for, for that matter?  They are 
NOT a part of the Food Bank, Clothing Bank, Pastor's Group, Community 
Action, etc.

J  :]





>From: Joe Campbell 
>To: Donovan Arnold 
>CC: Michael , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 0:42:47 -0700
>
>I'm just wondering, Donovan, what exactly are the RELIGIOUS beliefs that 
>folks at CC endorse with which Michael disagrees?
>
>Best, Joe
>
>---- Donovan Arnold  wrote:
>
>=============
>Michael,
>
>   I really think you need to find a new hobby besides bashing members of a 
>church you disagree with. It cannot be healthy.
>
>   Yes, I am sure you can find lots of outrageous, offense, frustrating,  
>and arguably unfair beliefs and practices of Christ Church. But you  know, 
>they are by far not the biggest or worst religion. And they also  do a lot 
>of good for the community.
>
>  Take my church for  example. It is headed by a former Nazi who later 
>masterminded a  conspiracy to protect the largest number of child molesters 
>in the  United States by moving them around from parish to parish. He 
>oppresses  woman, and preaches that gays are immoral. He has more followers 
>than  any other religion, including in this town. There is another religion 
>  that kills homosexuals and launches violent attacks against people that  
>even draw a cartoon of their God.
>
>   Nobody is forcing  you to believe or practice what you want. And 
>likewise, nobody has to  justify their personal religious beliefs and 
>actions to you. If you  don't agree with their words and actions you are 
>free to join another  religion or start one of your own.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>Michael  wrote:                    
>st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                    Donavan!  What 
>are you saying?
>
>     Story line again:
>
>     Kirkers insult community; Kirkers have big theonomist, take over 
>eschatology.
>
>     Community critiques Kirkers as any community would.
>
>     Kirkers unable to rationally defend themselves against criticism; they 
>  instead lie.
>
>     Kirkers continue to insult.
>
>     Insults mount from both directions, and through all the smoke, not one 
>meaningful  and true response is found from the Kirk.
>
>     This is the story, and this is my point.
>
>     You,  Donavan, are becoming more mysterious as the months drag on. But 
>hey,  that’s ok; I’ll still be your friend. Even if you just might have 
>  defending the Nazi’s against the persecution from the Jews!  And  
>remember, I still have friends in the Kirk.  Call me Shindler….
>
>     Michael
>
>
>     Michael,
>
>   You wrote:
>
>   "Does  not anyone at the Kirk have a rational, argumentative point to be 
>made  about the constant and varied public criticism against them?"
>
>   Like I said, I think you guys should just take your case to the city 
>council to  require all members of Christ   Church be given a giant  bright 
>yellow star to wear on their arm so we can easily recognize them.
>
>   Best,
>
>   _DJA
>
>   Michael   wrote:
>
>Lucy Jones writes:
>
>
>
>“If it's not interesting, you could *advertise* it on V2020 the way other 
>bloggers do who need more
>
>  attention.”
>
>
>     I  am unceasingly dumfounded at how kirkers can continue to make 
>veiled  and slanderous comments even when they are continually exposed for 
>what  they are.  Just this morning I located another kirk blog linked to  
>my site that revealed yet another misquote. Dale Cortney still refuses  to 
>pull an intentional misquote from my blog that has now been up for  months. 
>This is amazing. After 8 months, and every kirk attack has been  in the 
>form of bald falsehood, nonsensical ridicule, or else strong  critique of 
>strawed-man quotes ripped out of context.  Does not  anyone at the Kirk 
>have a rational, argumentative point to be made  about the constant and 
>varied public criticism against them?   Outside of the silly 
>“persecution” ploy?
>
>     As  for this quote: this has become one of the steady anti-pooh 
>mantras  that kirkers sooth themselves with. So please allow me just this 
>one  time to quickly and modestly point out the relevant fact that my  
>readership is as strong as Peter Leithart’s; you might recall how  Wilson 
>boasted about Leithart’s blog in his sermon when   explaining why he was 
>the truly anointed one in Moscow.  Apparently, the kind of “interest” 
>Leithart’s blog gets is evidence for  the fact that YHWH will defend the 
>Kirk against its local enemies; I  guess I now have evidence that YHWH is 
>routing for me too.  In  sum, I certainly haven’t sent links to Vision 
>2020 to keep a “needed”  readership (putting aside the claims that I 
>have a mental disorder); I  just like local readership more than non-local, 
>given the common topic  of my blog (which, by the way, is only about 40% 
>Kirk stuff these  days).
>
>     Dear kirkers, say something true and meaningful.
>
>     Sincerely,
>     Michael Metzler
>     www.poohsthink.com
>
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