[Vision2020] Debate or Coward?

Wed Oct 4 20:20:11 PDT 2006

To which Elitists do you refer, Donovan? The ones exemplified by the Kirk? These analogies 
seem to fit their rhetoric better than anyone I know..

The ones who were forced to wear (not *were*--turn on your dictionary) a star were indeed of a 
different religion than the majority in power---they were, in fact, members of a religion held in 
contempt by the Kirk. And the city has already changed zoning rules in favor of the Kirk, letting 
them off the hook several times in recent history...They won't soon be relegated to a small 
area. This is the same Kirk which advocates slavery for non-believers and exile for those not 
agreeing with them about sexual orientation (by the way, remember those who were forced in 
your ridiculous comparison to wear a triangle? You would have been in that number). 

You are getting yourself in over the point on your pinhead. Stop it. About the time you start 
calling concerned citizens jackbooted Nazis you lose your last shred of dignity, you nasty little 
excuse for a human being. 

You seem to feel free to insult all and sundry, slander those who practice the law, make 
accusations of bullying about those who freely give time to assist, and then pull out this sort of 
analogy as the raspberry on the pile of crap. Then, if anyone responds to refute your ill-
informed opinion, they too are accused of things they did not do. What is wrong with you, 
besides the obvious stupity and self-loathing? And don't blame it on another 
mental/physical/psychological disorder. This is plain and simply over-the-top, vicious, repulsive 
behavior, and you make the choice to do it. Begin to act responsibly for a change. Get a damn 
grip before someone sues your pathetic panties off... 

Indeed, we (royal We, here) are tired of it. We are tired of Donovan's psuedo-intellectual know-
it-all-ism, slander, and pandering. We are also  tired of the NSA boys and their self-
congratulatory giggle fest. We are tired of Doug Ferris and his lame-o spouting, Sushipushy's 
pretend Biblical scholarship, and yes, JFords multiple postings. We are tired of Tony 
Simpson's weenie wagging, Dick Sherwin's xenophobia, the rampant homophobia of many 
posters, and the either-or stance of many many posters. We are even tired of some on our own 
side of the debate!

This is, however, an unmoderated and public forum. Anyone may say anything. And anyone 
may say anything back. On the other hand, doing so opens one to consequences. Donovan, 
by your own postings, I do not assume you have piles of money in your legal defense fund. 
You have, however, pissed off a lot of attorneys. Bet someone could sue you without spending 
much money, while you will be losing what little you have? 

Debi Robinson-Smith

Date sent:      	Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
From:           	Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To:             	kerry becker <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>, 
pkraut at moscow.com,
       	vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject:        	Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?

Maybe the Elitists in our town can convince the city council to force 
every member of Christ Church to were a mark on their sleeve 
identifying their religion. Say, how about a giant yellow star on the 
arm? Anyone that doesn't wear one will be thrown in jail for violating
 the law. 

  Then we can petition the city council to change the zoning laws so
  all they are in just a few places in town.

  Finally, since all the people wearing the stars are guilty of
  violating  the law or not paying taxes we can build some labor camps
  and put them  in there to work off the taxes that they owe.

  How about it Rose, Keely, Tom, Wayne, and especially you Jackie?

  Best,

  _DJA

kerry becker <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com> wrote:  Amen Pat.  We're
all just about tired of it.  

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  From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:44:15 -0700

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            what reason have we become a nation where it is a persons 
            religion some think we ALL need to know in order to
            appreciate  someones post on a site?? I am beyond
            disgusted with questions about  which church someone goes
            to or whether their parents were on one and  they changed
            to another!! It is none of our business!! It could very 
            well be religious persecution which is what most of you
            seem to be  about!!

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:56 AM
  Subject: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?

    Gary,

  I  have no idea what you are talking about, and you certainly have
  not  addressed the content of my note to Doug or my previous note to
   you.  All I see here is slanderous smear, and intentional 
  conflating of different people and different problems.  I am  simply
  writing this for the record since it appears you do not wish to 
  have any rational dialog with me, as has been the case for some time
   now.  Also for the record: in my note to Farris I referenced not 
  only a specific topic of debate, but a specific debate that was
  planned  to be published in Credenda.  The other reference was with
  respect  to my challenges to Wilson on his web site; these
  challenges were  specific to Brian McLaren. 

  If you would like to discuss anything further I would appreciate you
  answering my question to you: of what religion are you. 

  Thank you

  Michael Metzler
  www.poohsthink.com 

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