[Vision2020] anyone? anyone?

keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
Mon Oct 2 20:43:27 PDT 2006 

Thank you, Larson, for writing.  I can appreciate your busy schedule and am 
content to just answer you here, although my offer is always open (and 
sincere).

I'm glad to hear you don't have "thought police"!  On the other hand, in the 
churches I've been involved in -- and I've been involved in evangelical 
Christian churches for 24 years or so -- we have pastors who don't teach 
errors of the sort that I believe you have; if they do, and if they don't 
respond to my please from Scripture, I leave and usually on friendly terms.  
On the other hand, how my former pastors and elders would handle error in 
the blogosphere from their congregants, I would imagine that if it were 
pointed out, they would handle it just as they would error in a 
congregant-led Bible study, prayer group, or parachurch ministry.  And they 
would do it as a kindness, as well as a part of their job of lovingly 
shepherding the community.

The fact is, your elders quite often read Vision, and the silence has been 
deafening.  Not that my question was earth-shattering in importance, or that 
they owe me an answer -- but I know that if my pastor had a congregant and a 
student in his college who publicly taught error, he would lovingly, gently, 
and with open Bible try to lead him or her in a more correct understanding.  
Unless he agreed -- then, if the teaching were so distasteful and so 
Biblically indefensible as to cause chagrin or embarrassment or incredulity 
in the larger community, he could, I suppose, just let his silence do the 
talking.

I wouldn't expect that of my pastor, and if that's the case with yours and 
your elders, I'm truly sorry -- sorry for the silence, and even more sorry 
for the teaching.

I wish you the best with your studies.

keely


From: "Larson Hicks" <larsonhicks at gmail.com>
To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] anyone? anyone?
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:31:31 -0700

Keely,

I'd love to get a chance to talk w/you some time, maybe via email, but right
now isn't a great time.  I'm taking 4 classes right now, have finals this
week, work 3/4 time, play rugby, and have a wife and kids to spend time
with.  My wife absolutely hates it when I waste time blogging or arguing on
V2020, so I don't do it very often.

As for the elders getting back to you - I think you would have to get in
touch with them first for them to get back to you.  I don't think comments
on V2020 count.  For me, I check V2020 maybe once a week and I'm positive
most of our elders don't have nearly as much free time as I do.  But, feel
free to contact our church office -208.882.2034 if you'd like to ask my
pastor to react to me and my brother's blog.

I will say that my church would never discipline me for my views on
gender-roles unless it was leading me into some grievous sin.  I'm not sure
how the churches you've been involved with work, but Christ Chruch doesn't
monitor our every action and conversation like J Ford.

Also, just so you know, Weston doesn't live in Moscow or go to Christ
Church, never has.  He and his family are down in Austin - so, you'd have to
contact his Pastor at Redeemer Presbyterian there (but I get the feeling
that they don't have any Thought Police there either, sorry).

Thanks for reading the blog.  Feel free to leave comments, maybe we can hash
it out there.

Cheers,
Larson

On 9/30/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Oh, its hoping I am that yer not holding yer breath.  These "men" are no
>doubt laughing at the notion that a woman(!) has challenged them and they
>never intend to respond.  They KNOW you are their better, spiritually,
>intellectually, morally, and what the heck I'll say it - Ya look great,
>too!
>   All things they can never claim to be.
>
>I'm partial to the blue pearls, my self.  They go well with yer eye
>colour.
>
>
>J  :]
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] anyone?  anyone?
> >Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:23:27 -0700
> >
> >
> >It's after 3 p.m. Saturday and as yet no answer from Kirk leadership
> >regarding the Hicks brothers' blog-take on gender roles, which took on a
> >sense of relevance for me after I saw the video clip "Women, Know Your
> >Limits."
> >
> >I'm beginning to think that perhaps the Kirk men don't feel they owe me
>an
> >answer, which is fine.  They don't.  It leads me to think, however, that
>if
> >their reputation as Bible scholars, Spirit-led Christians and refined,
> >Reformed men of character suffers, it won't be because of anything I've
> >ever said or written.  Their own guys evidently have represented them
>quite
> >well.
> >
> >Which means I can get back to my study of the gold standard . . . once I
> >find just the right strand of pearls to wear.
> >
> >"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free . . ."  (Galatians 5:1).
> >
> >keely
> >
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