[Vision2020] The unborn Nick

[Tony]

Greetings Nick, to touch on your other point with regard to the termination 
of innocent human life:  You state that if a fetus is a person, then all 
higher mammalian fetus' are persons as well.

Wow.  You find no distinction between a fetus which grows into a dolphin and 
one that grows into a human being?  Perhaps we should grant constitutional 
rights to dolphins and whales as we deny them to humans?

And my dear professor, I NEVER referred to you as a "Nazi" per se, I 
specifically compared your apparent lack of moral perspective to that of a 
specific Nazi, Dr. Mengele.  This is not necessarily to suggest that you 
endorse genocide, but that your denial of the humanness of obvious humans is 
the type of mindset (mindless-set?) which enables atrocity.

Hope this clears up your confusion on this subject.

Cheerio,  -T----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] The Fetus as a Person


> Greetings:
>
> There are a few pieces of legislation across the country that have defined 
> the
> fetus as a person, usually in connection with domestic violence and 
> indirectly
> causing the death of fetus.  Some conservative legislators have promised 
> that
> these laws somehow don't affect abortion laws.  In any case, this does not
> constitute a legal consensus, nor does it mean a change in the traditional
> moral, legal, and religious view that the early fetus is not a person.
>
> What is the argument in Section 32, Chap. 1 concerning Domestic Violence 
> (I
> assume its Idaho Code)? On what basis is the fetus a person. Why has this 
> not be brought to the attention of the U. S. Supreme Court?  The justices 
> would have acted very quickly if there was indeed such a dramatic change 
> in the law and tradition and it could be applied to Roe v. Wade, which was 
> not decided, unfortuantely, on the basis of personhood.
>
> If the fetus is a person from conception on, then all higher mammalian 
> fetuses
> are persons, too.  As a vegetarian, I can live with that, but what about 
> all the
> carnivores out there?  Veggie Whoppers, anyone?  They are really 
> delicious.
>
> On another matter, I swear I saw the term "conservative libertarian" used 
> by a
> certain Kirker on this list.  Until I find that post, I'll change the 
> first
> sentence of the post in question to "Since Dale Courtney defines himself 
> as a
> "Christian libertarian" (a contradiction in terms), and since heirdoug 
> defers to
> him in so many matters, they can be excused for confusing liberalism with
> socialism," which Courtney does all the time.
>
> Now, I've made my correction, how about all the corrections the Kirk and 
> its
> minions need to make?  I'm not holding my breath!
>
> Oh yes, while I'm clearing the deck, a Visionary who once called me a Nazi 
> is
> now all bent out of shape about me speaking the truth that he has no clue 
> about
> the difference between expediency and morality.  Where is my kleenex?!
>
> Nick Gier
>
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