[Vision2020] [Spam] Re: These are insults, Sir. Insults I tell You!

[lfalen]

Ted has touched on an item here that is of  concern to me. He mentioned Haliberton contracts. I think there are many cases of rip offs by contractors  in Iraq. I heard on the Doug Steffin show that only a few of the health clinics that were to be built were completed. Where did the money go. There are undoubtedly many more rip-offs  like this. This is serious criminal  activity and impedes the rebuilding of Irag and is less money gong to adequately arm our troops. Now that the Democrats are in power, they have the ability to get on top of this. If they do them some good will come out of their being in control. If they don't they need to be thrown out in two years. I also hope that CAGW will get on top of this.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:14:10 -0800
To: "nickgier at adelphia.net" nickgier at adelphia.net, Vision2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] These are insults, Sir. Insults I tell You!

> Nick et. al.
> 
> What a great reply!
> 
> Odd how the label "socialist" is hurled at those who just want sensible
> regulation of capitalism.  I keep repeating over and over to those who use
> the "socialist" label to denigrate those who want to regulate capitalism to
> prevent the worse abuses of the free market, that a strong socialist would
> demand nationalizing the oil industry, the auto industry, military
> industrial capacity, and so forth.  And many Republicans still support
> "socialist" programs such as medicare, medicaid, and public schools, even if
> they recommend some cut backs, while backing a massive Pentagon budget that
> reeks of waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars such as to make a fat
> cat statist socialist drool with envy!  Halliburton's no bid contracts in
> the Iraq war makes this case with no effort at all...Of course this is why
> many of the fiscally conservative "true" Republicans have turned on the Bush
> administration, seeing how they waste taxpayer dollars like the
> stereotypical "tax and spend liberal," though they are doing this by
> borrowing money from the Chinese and Japanese, which is perhaps worse in the
> long run than funding the Iraq war with domestic taxes, placing the burden
> of this debt upon future taxpayers.
> 
> A good case could be made that the Pentagon is in part a massive taxpayer
> funded "socialist" military enterprise to protect international resources
> and markets fueling the multinational corporate/state capitalist system,
> "corporate/state" meant to deliberately express the now common manipulation
> with massive donations, lobbying, etc. of the federal government by the most
> powerful multinationals, who sometimes write their own legislation that is
> passed through the US Congress.  Witness the bankruptcy bill, drug benefit
> bill, and Cheney's energy corporation handouts in the last few years, all
> legislation directly written in part by corporate operatives who can
> literally buy the influence in Washington to make law in their favor.
> 
> Socialism (i. e. government control of personal private behavior relating to
> sexual orientation) in the bedroom is what many of these faux conservative
> religious fundamentalists desire, with their obsession with controlling
> sexual orientation wasting the governments time and taxpayer dollars, such
> as we saw with the ridiculous politically motivation dog and pony show in
> the recent US Congressional effort to pass a constitutional amendment to ban
> gay marriage.
> 
> Ted Moffett
> 
> On 11/17/06, nickgier at adelphia.net <nickgier at adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I suppose we can excuse a person who says he is a Christian libertarian (a
> > contradiction in terms) for confusing liberalism and socialism.  A
> > dictionary defintion of socialism is the state ownership of the means of
> > production.  I don't believe this nor would I bet most American liberals
> > believe this.
> >
> > I believe that the free market, with reasonable regulation, is the best
> > way to distribute goods and services.  Furthermore, free market capitalism
> > has always been a policy of classical liberalism, to which I happily
> > adhere.  See my essay at www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/liberalism.htm.
> >
> > About three years ago I wrote an essay on Christianity and libertarianism
> > and posted it on this list.  (You can read it at
> > www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/libchristian.htm.)  My conclusion is that you
> > would have to be a really liberal Christian to get these two beliefs
> > together.  Christ Church appears to have lot of these hybrid creatures, but
> > none of them have bothered to untangle the logical conundrum that I have
> > presented to them.
> >
> > Incidentally, this thread "These are insults, Sir" was not intended for
> > V2020.  A military guy responded to my piece on Veterans Day and I did not
> > notice that he decided to copy the Vision in his last reply to me.  My
> > apologies for not detecting this.
> >
> > Nick Gier
> >
> > Nick Gier
> >
> > Nick Gier
> >
> > =======================================================
> > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >                http://www.fsr.net
> >           mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > =======================================================
> >
> 
>