[Vision2020] I go for oysters, Tom goes for ersters....

[Art Deco]

There are times when war is probably the only viable alternative for nations 
as with those opposed to the Axis in WWII.

However, most of us abhor the carnage and dehumanization that war brings. 
What if we and other major nations decide to spend at least one half as much 
on finding ways to avoid war as we spend on preparing for and waging war?

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] I go for oysters, Tom goes for ersters....


> Tom, I would never disdain your service.  NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL.  I think
> you are quite aware that it is your POLITICAL POSITIONS I find manifestly
> against America's interests.  I am quite sure that you mean well even as 
> you
> support those who would surrender in the face of evil.
>
> As I pointed out to Sue offlist, It was never my intent, in using the term
> "collateral damage," to minimize the horrendous cost of ending WW11.  It 
> was
> my understanding that that is the temporary terminology to describe
> unintended casualties.  The English language is fluid and changing and I
> share your evident concern over that.  I say collateral damage, you say
> civilians killed- they say vertical insertion, you say air assault- I say
> potato, you, undoubtedly, will always say potahto.
>
> Let's call the whole thing off.
>
> My sincere best,    -T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; "'Saundra Lund'"
> <sslund at adelphia.net>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:03 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Saundra tries to mislead matt with phoney
> sweetness
>
>
>> ToeKnee, ToeKnee, ToeKnee . . .
>>
>> Yes.  One characteristic of indirect fire is civilian casualties.
>> However,
>> it must be assumed that these civilian casualties could have been
>> reasonably
>> calculated then as they are now.  Use of the term "collateral damage" is
>> merely meant to "soften" its impact when such deaths are reported, much
>> like
>> "vertical insertion" versus "air assault".
>>
>> Concerning Saundra's respect for out veterans, you would have to broaden
>> your search to find a person of comparable strength of character when it
>> comes to veterans, ToeKnee.  Or was your intent in making that statement
>> parallel to little Johnny throwing spit-wads in class; "Hey, look how
>> ignorant I can be."  I mean, it's not like she accused any veterans of
>> disloyalty on Veterans' Day.
>>
>> Please continue . . .
>>
>> It is starting off as a slow Wednesday and I can use the laugh.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the
>> tranquil
>> and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>>
>> --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tony
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:47 PM
>> To: Saundra Lund
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saundra tries to mislead matt with phoney
>> sweetness
>>
>> Matt, these folks are desperately trying to shake your good instincts.
>> Saundra insists that we used the bomb against noncombatants.  The crucial
>> distinction she is either unable to grasp, or unwilling to acknowledge, 
>> is
>> that these civilian casualties were NOT targeted!  They were collateral
>> damage in an era of imprecise warfare.  Japan's INDUSTRIAL CENTERS were
>> targeted.  Her comparison of our actions then to the bombing of the trade
>> centers, a target with NO MILITARY APPLICATION, is the genuine obscenity
>> here, and I submit she should hang her head in shame for such an inane 
>> and
>> shameful statement.
>>
>> She continues that we were "itching" to blow these civilians to bits just
>> to
>>
>> strut our stuff.  I assume that she will hang her head and slink off the
>> next time she passes a veteran such as yourself, who she has so 
>> cavalierly
>> disdained as a callous killer.
>>
>> This pinhead then goes on to state, with breathtaking arrogance, that we
>> interned Japanese Americans out of racism rather than a legitimate 
>> concern
>> for national security!
>>
>> Make no mistake Matt, these libs have NO RESPECT for you.  They view you
>> as
>> an ignorant dupe to be conned.  And they owe you, as a vet, an apology.
>>
>> But don't hold your breath.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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