[Vision2020] Tony Simpsom Shills for Terrorists Yet Again!

[lfalen]

Truman was right on the bomb. I think he was wrong in Korea, even though he was right in firing MacArthur. MacArthur was right on policy by wrong in not following orders. Overall my respect for Truman continues to grow.  I think he will go down in history as close to being a great president.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Matt Decker" mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:26:03 -0800
To: sslund at adelphia.net,  tonytime at clearwire.net
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tony Simpsom Shills for Terrorists Yet Again!

> Saundra,
> 
> You stated:"It also sounds an awful lot like what happened with the decision 
> to bomb
> Hiroshima & Nagasaki only in that case, our decision to resort to terrorism
> resulted in the deaths of nearly a QUARTER OF A MILLION INNOCENT men, women,
> and children :-(".
> 
> To me, this was Trumans defining moment. The generals of that time estimated 
> 1-2million American lives,10-20 Million Japanese, in order to invade Japan. 
> Men and women which would have lots their lives to those same"innocent" men 
> women and children hurling grenades, shooting them, beheading, torturing, 
> and boobytrapping them. Don't let your potilical believes interfere with 
> facts and reality, that these japanese were in it to the death.
> 
> So in summary:  2 atomic bombs= 250,000 Japanese lives. No bombs=1-2 Mill 
> USA dead and 10-20 Mill Japanese dead. Doesn't really sound like terroism to 
> me, but rather having the balls to do what saves lives.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> >From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
> >To: "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>,"'Matt Decker'" 
> ><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Tony Simpsom Shills for Terrorists Yet Again!
> >Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:01:27 -0800
> >
> >Tony wrote:
> >  "Had we employed tactics like Truman did against the Japanese . . . "
> >
> >Last I checked, Tony, the morality of one of this country's darkest moments
> >(using the atomic bomb against civilians) is still being hotly -- and
> >validly -- debated.
> >
> >It seems to me that targeting innocent noncombatants for annihilation to
> >force a third party to do or not do something like make policy changes is a
> >pretty good definition of terrorism.  Don't you think it sounds an awful 
> >lot
> >like what happened on September 11, 2001?
> >
> >It also sounds an awful lot like what happened with the decision to bomb
> >Hiroshima & Nagasaki only in that case, our decision to resort to terrorism
> >resulted in the deaths of nearly a QUARTER OF A MILLION INNOCENT men, 
> >women,
> >and children :-(
> >
> >Are you trying to say, Tony, that terrorism is OK if you decide it's OK?
> >Or, that terrorism is OK if you win?  Or, that terrorism is OK if it's the
> >US that's the terrorist?  Or, that the ends justify the means???
> >
> >Sorry, Tony -- none of those dogs hunt.
> >
> >
> >
> >Saundra Lund
> >Moscow, ID
> >
> >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> >nothing.
> >- Edmund Burke
> >
> >***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.
> >Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> >without the express written permission of the author.*****
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of Tony
> >Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:17 AM
> >To: Matt Decker
> >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tet Offensive
> >
> >Matt,
> >
> >Your thoughtful exchange with Sunil prompts this musing....
> >
> >It is troubling that so many folks expect the administration to provide for
> >their security while attempting to micro-manage all conflicts from their
> >armchair.  I too tend to trust those in a position to know, who also seem 
> >to
> >me to be men and woman of intelligence and fair mindedness - the Bushes,
> >Cheneys, RUMSFELDS and Rices.  And yup, we have not utilized our military 
> >to
> >its full capability or we would have celebrated an adequate victory by now.
> >Had we employed tactics like Truman did against the Japanese, or Sherman 
> >did
> >against the south, or as Mac Arthur wanted to against the Soviets, many of
> >the threats we face today would not have materialized in the first place.
> >The senators and brass monkeys back home are influenced by their
> >constituents, who are misinformed and dispirited by a predominantly 
> >disloyal
> >and deceitful, liberal media.  You correctly note that the primary problem
> >in Iraq and Vietnam is and was politicians and journalists dictating
> >military policy rather than generals.
> >
> >Your observation about the coverage of the mosque in Fallujah where Al-Zar
> >punk-boy was hiding was also correct.  We should have ignored the
> >collaborating subversives in our media and allowed the generals to blast 
> >the
> >bastard, mosque and all, right into Allah's lap.  This only sounds bad to
> >those who haven't the stomach for what is unavoidable to achieve victory or
> >the sense to defer to those who do.
> >
> >As far as expediency in war is concerned, sometimes you have to cut off a
> >finger to save a hand.  If by killing innocents as we clearly did at 
> >Dresden
> >or with the A-bomb, we are able to pre-empt the death of  MANY TIMES that
> >number, which was Truman's conclusion, we have done what we had to do.  It
> >is cruel in the extreme for those not saddled with such wrenching decisions
> >to condemn the conclusions acted upon by those who are.
> >
> >Yes, the media tend to focus on the EXCEPTIONS rather than the RULE as far
> >as our troops actions are concerned - ignoring the good and endlessly
> >highlighting the occasional exception such as Abu Graub (sp?).
> >
> >Anywho, hope you had a good weekend,     -Tony
> >
> >
> 
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