[Vision2020] Tet Offensive

[Paul Rumelhart]

Tony,

You're right, you never said "willing to kill anyone and everyone".  I 
was generalizing.  You did appear to be arguing that we were being too 
soft when we didn't immediately bomb a mosque that had a known terrorist 
in it.  I remember other times that you have indicated that liberals are 
weak for not being more aggressive in this war.

The people that you call either "muddle headed" or "(sharing) the goals 
of America's enemies" are, in my view, simply trying to put the country 
back on course.  It has been shown that Iraq had nothing to do with 
9/11, nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, and nothing to do with WMDs.  So why 
sink a billion dollars a day into a war that should by all rights never 
have been started, but which is now causing as much violence as it hoped 
to stop?  Why expose our troops to death and destruction when there is 
no clear purpose in mind?

Trying to save lives and save our economy are both patriotic values.  I 
think many of these people deserve more respect than that.

Paul

Tony wrote:

> Paul, you misunderstand.  I do not take the position that ALL liberals 
> are disloyal and share the goals of America's enemies, just that the 
> bulk of them do.  Some are simply too muddle headed in their 
> thinking.  This does not make them the enemy, but merely to be pitied 
> as an unintentional part of the problem.
>
> You may wish to re-read my post.  I never said that conservatives are 
> "willing to kill anyone and everyone."  What I clearly said was that 
> they have the ability to be realistic and recognize that sometimes one 
> must sacrifice a few to save many.  Is this so complicated?
>
> If one's choice to avoid collateral damage at all costs results in the 
> loss of an even greater number of his own countryman, can he claim to 
> be either wise OR strong?
>
> Pragmatically yours,      -T
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rumelhart" 
> <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tet Offensive
>
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>>> Your observation about the coverage of the mosque in Fallujah where 
>>> Al-Zar
>>> punk-boy was hiding was also correct.  We should have ignored the
>>> collaborating subversives in our media and allowed the generals to 
>>> blast the
>>> bastard, mosque and all, right into Allah's lap.  This only sounds 
>>> bad to
>>> those who haven't the stomach for what is unavoidable to achieve 
>>> victory or
>>> the sense to defer to those who do.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm tired of these two basic assertions that I keep seeing.  One is that
>> the "liberals" are somehow unloyal and unamerican, as you seem to be
>> implying here by calling them "collaborating subversives in our media".
>> The other is that a lack of total willingness to kill anyone and
>> everyone is some form of weakness, as you seem to imply when you say
>> that liberals "haven't the stomach for what is unavoidable to achieve
>> victory or the sense to defer to those who do".
>>
>> We will never have a reasonable debate here if these issues are not
>> addressed, in my opinion.
>>
>> To start with, I will claim that many of the "liberals" care as deeply
>> about their country as you do.  I will also claim that the ability to
>> show mercy or to abstain from killing from a position of strength is a
>> sign of power, not weakness.
>>
>> Paul
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