[Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my business? (update)

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 7 19:13:53 PST 2006 

Isn't it AMAZING how Dougie always says the same thing: "Brazenly Lied 
About"  
(http://www.dougwils.com/Print.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=3002)

How can one man possibly be so put upon as to be lied about constantly by 
ANY number of people around the world?  It must be very hard to have such a 
burden to carry around all the days of his life.

J  :]





>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my business? 
>(update)
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:35:09 -0800
>
>And on this topic there is an article in the Intelligence Report, Fall 
>2006, publication of The Southern Poverty Law Center, which deals with the 
>contradictions in Doug Wilson's writtn edicts and his actual behavior when 
>his own church members are involved.  See "Idaho Pastor a Hard-Liner, With 
>an Exception or Two," page 7.
>
>Sue Hovey
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Art Deco
>   To: Vision 2020
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:01 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my business? 
>(update)
>
>
>   Ersatz Electrical Engineer Lemon-O writes:
>
>   'I might add that if Pastor Wilson stopped living in his home, rented 
>the whole thing out to students and moved in with a lady down the street 
>you of all people would be the leader in developing a whole campaign of 
>indignation that would make the Spanish Inquisition look like “Who Wants 
>to be a Millionaire.”'
>
>
>   Nick does not pretend to be a Christian nor to espouse all of its 
>ethical proscriptions.  Cultmaster Douglas Wilson does pretend to be such.  
>One thing that is quite revealing, however, in Wilson's case was his 
>behavior before and after demanding and receiving obedience to his demand 
>that two former employees of Logos School resign after adultery between 
>them was discovered.  The circumstances forced a third member of the Logos 
>School staff to resign.
>
>   I do not object per se to Wilson's conquests; it is his hypocrisy and 
>dishonesty in claiming he is a Professional Christian Leader but his 
>ignoring of some very fundamental Christian Ethical proscriptions, and also 
>ignoring such while demanding that others who have displeased him follow 
>them.
>
>
>   Lemon-O further writes:
>
>    "Maybe it's time to shut this site down. Maybe it's time to do what 
>someone, [sic] I respect, [sic] said, ..."Live and let live". Is this the 
>standard we should follow?"
>
>
>   Is it stupidity and/or just ignorance based hubris, Lemon-O, that causes 
>you to forget the following Christ Church Cult dicta that is anything but 
>"Live and let live" but would result in the death of most of the world's 
>human population?
>
>
>   From Credenda/Agenda (Christ Church Cult Official Organ), by Gregory 
>Dickison
>
>   http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm
>
>
>
>   "The civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the 
>wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance 
>on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of 
>judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include 
>premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, 
>homosexuality, and cursing one's parents..."
>
>   "In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is 
>punishable by death, with the occasional exception of murder. The 
>magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians 
>believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that the 
>"harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the 
>result of the mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no further 
>application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too 
>often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. This sin is 
>called pity."
>
>   "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the 
>wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly 
>entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not 
>consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you 
>spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him..."
>
>
>
>   "If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her 
>husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and 
>seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall 
>not pity her..."
>
>   God commands the judge to evaluate the crime rather than the criminal. 
>If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must be the 
>punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither is the repentance of the 
>accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.
>
>   "Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has 
>decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to 
>faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not man's... This 
>means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the 
>bounds which God has established for us."
>
>
>
>
>
>   Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>   deco at moscow.com
>
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <heirdoug at netscape.net>
>   To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <heirdoug at netscape.net>; 
><vision2020 at moscow.com>; <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:45 AM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my business? 
>(update)
>
>
>   >
>   > Keely Yaps in:
>   > “I have several suggestions for what you call it
>   > when a supposed Christian acts like a preening
>   > sixth-grade bully.  You're being an ass, Farris.”
>   >
>   >
>   > We have now heard from the resident theologian here on Blind 2020.
>   > Keely, check out paragraph 3.
>   >
>   > I might add that if Pastor Wilson stopped living in his home, rented
>   > the whole thing out to students and moved in with a lady down the
>   > street you of all people would be the leader in developing a whole
>   > campaign of indignation that would make the Spanish Inquisition look
>   > like “Who Wants to be a Millionaire.”
>   >
>   >
>   > Carl wrote:
>   > "I'd personally call it no one else's business."
>   >
>   > And, Sunil wrote:
>   > "You've been on this for a couple of weeks now,
>   > and it's still not your business, not my business, and
>   > not the business of anyone on V2020 except Nick,
>   > and perhaps his friend, should she exist and should
>   > she be on this listserve."
>   >
>   >
>   > And, Saundra wrote:
>   > "As usual, Sunil & Carl are spot on, but for the rest
>   > of us, let heirdog's post serve as a reminder that
>   > Jealousy, the Green-Eyed Monster, really is incredibly
>   > ugly."
>   >
>   >
>   > I am very glad that you all are trying to define morality here on 
>Blind
>   > 2020 but what standard shall we use to say what is and isn't some one
>   > else's business? We all want to participate in the standard defining
>   > exercise and we need to be all inclusive so that no one is left out.
>   >
>   > For the longest time I have been posting statements that some find
>   > offensive and some find funny. It seems from this vast difference of
>   > opinion that there is no moral standard by which we can judge one and
>   > other's comments. Saundra calls me jealous and ugly. How does one make
>   > an absolute statement such as thiat?
>   >
>   > I have read that some posters have "crossed the line" when it comes to
>   > saying things. By what unwritten law or code of conduct do we judge
>   > where the line is? And who is the policeman of "line crossing"? Is it
>   > J. Ford with her online dictionary? Is it Wayne Fox and his
>   > multicolored Bible Google? Or is it Keely Mix with her cutting wit and
>   > "I am innocent but you are guilty" way of putting things.
>   >
>   > Tom-Tom says, by his posts and his blog, that it is OK to re-publish
>   > the addresses of those he thinks are breaking a zoning code. Isn't 
>what
>   > they do in the privacy of their own home only "their business"? What
>   > gives him the "right" to do this? Has he crossed the mystic "line"?
>   >
>   > What gives J. " :] " Ford the OK to publish false or misleading
>   > information about a local developer, with the intent to do public harm
>   > to someone from Christ Church? But when someone makes an embarrassing
>   > statement about an ex husband who resides in the state pen, this has
>   > crossed the mystic "line"!
>   >
>   > Maybe it's time to shut this site down. Maybe it's time to do what
>   > someone, I respect, said, ..."Live and let live". Is this the standard
>   > we should follow?
>   >
>   > When Dale pointed out the incongruity of Keely's request, in light of
>   > all of the accusations by Rose and Co. with respect to having people
>   > live in their house, I thought I would bring up Nick Gier's living
>   > situation - again. Is he paying any of the bills there? Wouldn't that
>   > make him a "boarder" by the code? He is not a family member.
>   >
>   > It seems, by the comments back to me, that THIS is none of my 
>business!
>   > Why, he is an important public school figure with a lot on his plate
>   > (he told us so)! Why one set of standards for some and not for others?
>   > Where is the out cry "For the Love of the Code?"
>   >
>   > Is all of this a picture of "white men of privilege" being overcome 
>and
>   > subdued by those who feel down trodden? Or is it as Mrs. Lund said, "
>   > a reminder that Jealousy, the Green-Eyed Monster, really is incredibly
>   > ugly..."?
>   >
>   > lemeno, Doug!
>   >
>
>
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