[Vision2020] Guests, Tenants, and the difference between them

g. crabtree jampot at adelphia.net
Sun Nov 5 18:33:32 PST 2006 

Irony is often lost on those with an impoverished sense of humor and a
deeply held agenda. However, I do hope your Korean pal and her young charges 
find nice homes to stay in. I also hope that they have the time of their 
lives and learn to jabber in English as well as any American teenager.
Actually, upon reflection, I hope they manage to do a little better then
that. The idea of hoards of little Asian kids babbling "like" and "totally"
and "awesome" every seventh or eighth syllable wouldn't be an optimum
outcome in my lowly and often contradicted opinion.

gc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: <dmcrourtn at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:54 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Guests, Tenants, and the difference between them


> I'm amazed that it seems to be necessary to have this conversation, but
> since my name has been mentioned here, I'll point out a few things:
>
> I posted on Vision yesterday a request for help from my friend in Korea. 
> I
> invited those who could host a Korean student for a few weeks to contact
> Young-mi at her email address -- that's all.
>
> That this has pushed one of Dale Courtney's "Keely is evil, Keely is 
> stupid"
> buttons is of little or no consequence to me -- I would be chagrined if I
> were held in high esteem by him.  But it surprises me that he, and, I'll
> assume, his blog buddies, can't see the difference between illegal 
> boarding
> houses organized and run by the Kirk and local homes following in the
> footsteps of Rotary and other groups that house foreign students short 
> term.
>  The differences seem obvious to me and I suspect are to most of you, but
> in case he and his pals are sincerely confused, I'll outline them:
>
> 1.  Nobody is being asked to host a student for the duration of the school
> year, i.e., the majority of the year.  NSA home-boarders are boarded for 
> the
> school year, and many, if not most, return to the same or different Kirk
> families, which in turn host students for a number of years.
>
> 2.  Nobody is expected by anyone to accommodate five, four, three, two, or
> even one student -- anyone interested in hosting someone can contact
> Young-mi.  There is no organization encouraging families to board anyone,
> whether it's in accord to code or not, and certainly no pressure to do so.
> In fact, the only "organized effort" to provide housing seems to be that I
> gave you all Young-mi's email address.  That's it.
>
> 3.  Nobody will be buying a larger house than they can afford, or making
> ends meet, because of compensation paid for hosting a student for a few
> weeks.   However, hosting a couple (or more) NSA students at $400 or so a
> pop is a great way to buy more house than one could afford to maintain
> without renters and certainly increases the family budget over a 
> significant
> period of time.
>
> 4.  I don't know of anyone who has hosted a foreign student during a brief
> visit who's been the subject of complaints by neighbors or a letter from 
> the
> City of Moscow insisting that they cease doing so.  On the other hand,
> Christ Church Elder Chris Schlecht received such a letter, outlining the
> specific violation of Kirk boarding houses, from the City more than six
> years ago.  I've read it myself.
>
> It pains me that someone as educated as Dale Courtney doesn't understand 
> the
> difference between pitching in for the short-term to house foreign 
> students
> on a visit and an organized, concentrated effort to maintain a very
> profitable relationship between a church-run school, its students and 
> their
> parents, and families of the same church -- particularly when the "guests"
> pay market rate or more for their lodging, homes often host a number of
> them, and the young men and women stay for the school year and are assumed
> to return, with an elder of the church seemingly ignoring the clear
> direction of the City in organizing the situation.   But there you have it
> -- Dale's inability to see this straight has much more to do with my
> involvement in it than it does with the facts, and that strikes me as more
> than a little sad.
>
> keely
>
> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:36:37 -0800
>
> First of all, the "compensation" that Miss Keely talks about is in the 
> form
> of help paying for whatever food the people may need/want while staying 
> with
> the family.  It is NOT payment for use of a room or for use of the house.
> That is provided along with rides to the events, schools, etc. that the
> people may need.
>
> If you had a cousin (shudder to think there are more of you out there) who
> came to stay with you for a couple of weeks, it is no DOUBT that you would
> not only expect them to help with the food bill, but it would be needed.
>
> This in no way represents a boarding house situation - the boarding houses
> that kirkers run are for profit (UNclaimed profit) and are meant to 
> clearly
> be that.  The above situation is not - it is a request for help in a
> situation where our town has the opportunity to show people from another
> part of the word what America is like.
>
> Too bad the likes of Dale, etc. are willing and very able to show them the
> very worst of what America offers.
>
>
>
> J  :]
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020"
>><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
>>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:02:11 -0800
>>
>>
>>After having glanced at the Moscow city code definition of a boarding
>>house, could you please explain how providing accommodations to guests for
>>a couple of weeks for compensation fails to meet the afore mentioned
>>definition? Just exactly where in the code does it distinguish between  a
>>"resident guest" and a "resident tenant"? And lastly, why would it be
>>"inappropriate commentary" to discuss this type of topic on Dale's 
>>personal
>>blog and yet be just ducky for you to do the same on your own web site, to
>>which you thoughtfully provided a link, not to mention here on the V?
>>
>>gc
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:17 AM
>>Subject: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
>>
>>
>> > Posted at Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney's Brainless Log (BLog) at
>>right-mind.us
>> > -
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > [Quote by Keely Emerine-Mix] "My friend, Young-mi Jin, is an English
>>teacher
>> > in South Korea who got her master's at UI in 2005. She is bringing a
>>group
>> > of Korean students to Moscow in December and January to study and is
>>looking
>> > for homes for the kids (and her) to stay in for that time. She's asked
>>me to
>> > forward her email address [deleted] to all of you, and if you're
>>interested
>> > in hosting for a few weeks, with compensation, please email her."
>> >
>> > My, my. I sure hope that keely isn't looking for Venom2020 members to
>> > illegally board those kids. And to be compensated for it. Gasp!
>> >
>> > Horrors! Think of it! Offering hospitality and being told that it's
>>illegal.
>> >
>> > I'm sure that everyone she recommends will have their conditional use
>> > permits thru the City, approved and paid for - just like every other
>> > international student's host family in Moscow has.
>> >
>> > Published Friday, November 03, 2006 4:55 PM by Right-Mind
>> >
>> > [Comments]
>> >
>> > # Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
>> >
>> > Now this is a really funny situation.  I am sure that Not On The 
>> > Palouse
>> > will immediately cite the proper city rules as to why Keely's request 
>> > is
>> > A-OK.  What a laugh.  Perhaps these students will rent several of the
>>vacant
>> > apartments here in town instead of boarding with families.  That would
>>help
>> > the booming Moscow economy some wouldn't it?
>> >
>> > Friday, November 03, 2006 7:04 PM by Dave
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > I could go into detail explaining the differences between a "resident's
>> > guest" and a "resident tenant" having had guests at my abode, but then 
>> > I
>> > would have to re-repost the Moscow City Zoning Code as it pertains to
>> > boarding houses (and the city's definition of "Boarding Houses") and
>>further
>> > explain it in terms understandable to the infants at our local sandbox
>> > (pronounced "Anselm Clubhouse").  That is simply not necessary and what
>> > Comb-Over has posted to his BLog is purely inappropriate.
>> >
>> > To put it simply, there is considerable difference between providing
>> > quarters to a friend for a couple weeks and collecting rent from 
>> > several
>> > tenants for several years as reflected at:
>> >
>> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Wilsonville/Address_List.pdf
>> >
>> > If Comb-Over feels he possesses sufficient quantity of the proper
>>genetalia,
>> > he can file a complaint with the city.  Otherwise, I suggest that he
>>cease
>> > making such inappropriate commentary and restrict such behavior to the
>> > aforementioned sandbox.
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> >
>> > *****************************************************************
>> >
>> > "Sins can be committed in ignorance, and the fact that they were
>>committed
>> > in ignorance doesn't cause the sin to just disappear . . . "
>> >
>> > - Princess Sushitushi (September 10, 2006)
>> >
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