[Vision2020] Guests, Tenants, and the difference between them
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sun Nov 5 14:54:34 PST 2006
I'm amazed that it seems to be necessary to have this conversation, but
since my name has been mentioned here, I'll point out a few things:
I posted on Vision yesterday a request for help from my friend in Korea. I
invited those who could host a Korean student for a few weeks to contact
Young-mi at her email address -- that's all.
That this has pushed one of Dale Courtney's "Keely is evil, Keely is stupid"
buttons is of little or no consequence to me -- I would be chagrined if I
were held in high esteem by him. But it surprises me that he, and, I'll
assume, his blog buddies, can't see the difference between illegal boarding
houses organized and run by the Kirk and local homes following in the
footsteps of Rotary and other groups that house foreign students short term.
The differences seem obvious to me and I suspect are to most of you, but
in case he and his pals are sincerely confused, I'll outline them:
1. Nobody is being asked to host a student for the duration of the school
year, i.e., the majority of the year. NSA home-boarders are boarded for the
school year, and many, if not most, return to the same or different Kirk
families, which in turn host students for a number of years.
2. Nobody is expected by anyone to accommodate five, four, three, two, or
even one student -- anyone interested in hosting someone can contact
Young-mi. There is no organization encouraging families to board anyone,
whether it's in accord to code or not, and certainly no pressure to do so.
In fact, the only "organized effort" to provide housing seems to be that I
gave you all Young-mi's email address. That's it.
3. Nobody will be buying a larger house than they can afford, or making
ends meet, because of compensation paid for hosting a student for a few
weeks. However, hosting a couple (or more) NSA students at $400 or so a
pop is a great way to buy more house than one could afford to maintain
without renters and certainly increases the family budget over a significant
period of time.
4. I don't know of anyone who has hosted a foreign student during a brief
visit who's been the subject of complaints by neighbors or a letter from the
City of Moscow insisting that they cease doing so. On the other hand,
Christ Church Elder Chris Schlecht received such a letter, outlining the
specific violation of Kirk boarding houses, from the City more than six
years ago. I've read it myself.
It pains me that someone as educated as Dale Courtney doesn't understand the
difference between pitching in for the short-term to house foreign students
on a visit and an organized, concentrated effort to maintain a very
profitable relationship between a church-run school, its students and their
parents, and families of the same church -- particularly when the "guests"
pay market rate or more for their lodging, homes often host a number of
them, and the young men and women stay for the school year and are assumed
to return, with an elder of the church seemingly ignoring the clear
direction of the City in organizing the situation. But there you have it
-- Dale's inability to see this straight has much more to do with my
involvement in it than it does with the facts, and that strikes me as more
than a little sad.
keely
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:36:37 -0800
First of all, the "compensation" that Miss Keely talks about is in the form
of help paying for whatever food the people may need/want while staying with
the family. It is NOT payment for use of a room or for use of the house.
That is provided along with rides to the events, schools, etc. that the
people may need.
If you had a cousin (shudder to think there are more of you out there) who
came to stay with you for a couple of weeks, it is no DOUBT that you would
not only expect them to help with the food bill, but it would be needed.
This in no way represents a boarding house situation - the boarding houses
that kirkers run are for profit (UNclaimed profit) and are meant to clearly
be that. The above situation is not - it is a request for help in a
situation where our town has the opportunity to show people from another
part of the word what America is like.
Too bad the likes of Dale, etc. are willing and very able to show them the
very worst of what America offers.
J :]
>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "Vision 2020"
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:02:11 -0800
>
>
>After having glanced at the Moscow city code definition of a boarding
>house, could you please explain how providing accommodations to guests for
>a couple of weeks for compensation fails to meet the afore mentioned
>definition? Just exactly where in the code does it distinguish between a
>"resident guest" and a "resident tenant"? And lastly, why would it be
>"inappropriate commentary" to discuss this type of topic on Dale's personal
>blog and yet be just ducky for you to do the same on your own web site, to
>which you thoughtfully provided a link, not to mention here on the V?
>
>gc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 6:17 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Guests or Tenants?
>
>
> > Posted at Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney's Brainless Log (BLog) at
>right-mind.us
> > -
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > [Quote by Keely Emerine-Mix] "My friend, Young-mi Jin, is an English
>teacher
> > in South Korea who got her master's at UI in 2005. She is bringing a
>group
> > of Korean students to Moscow in December and January to study and is
>looking
> > for homes for the kids (and her) to stay in for that time. She's asked
>me to
> > forward her email address [deleted] to all of you, and if you're
>interested
> > in hosting for a few weeks, with compensation, please email her."
> >
> > My, my. I sure hope that keely isn't looking for Venom2020 members to
> > illegally board those kids. And to be compensated for it. Gasp!
> >
> > Horrors! Think of it! Offering hospitality and being told that it's
>illegal.
> >
> > I'm sure that everyone she recommends will have their conditional use
> > permits thru the City, approved and paid for - just like every other
> > international student's host family in Moscow has.
> >
> > Published Friday, November 03, 2006 4:55 PM by Right-Mind
> >
> > [Comments]
> >
> > # Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
> >
> > Now this is a really funny situation. I am sure that Not On The Palouse
> > will immediately cite the proper city rules as to why Keely's request is
> > A-OK. What a laugh. Perhaps these students will rent several of the
>vacant
> > apartments here in town instead of boarding with families. That would
>help
> > the booming Moscow economy some wouldn't it?
> >
> > Friday, November 03, 2006 7:04 PM by Dave
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I could go into detail explaining the differences between a "resident's
> > guest" and a "resident tenant" having had guests at my abode, but then I
> > would have to re-repost the Moscow City Zoning Code as it pertains to
> > boarding houses (and the city's definition of "Boarding Houses") and
>further
> > explain it in terms understandable to the infants at our local sandbox
> > (pronounced "Anselm Clubhouse"). That is simply not necessary and what
> > Comb-Over has posted to his BLog is purely inappropriate.
> >
> > To put it simply, there is considerable difference between providing
> > quarters to a friend for a couple weeks and collecting rent from several
> > tenants for several years as reflected at:
> >
> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Wilsonville/Address_List.pdf
> >
> > If Comb-Over feels he possesses sufficient quantity of the proper
>genetalia,
> > he can file a complaint with the city. Otherwise, I suggest that he
>cease
> > making such inappropriate commentary and restrict such behavior to the
> > aforementioned sandbox.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >
> > *****************************************************************
> >
> > "Sins can be committed in ignorance, and the fact that they were
>committed
> > in ignorance doesn't cause the sin to just disappear . . . "
> >
> > - Princess Sushitushi (September 10, 2006)
> >
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